The last few posts made here, they've shown up, made the most inane, idiotic, and pointless comments, upvoted each other in a frenzy of circle jerking, and generally made a pest of themselves.
They're a nuisance, and add nothing of value to the Lemmy experience.
https://hexbear.net/post/423647
https://hexbear.net/comment/3824503
Just to inform this conversation about why OP is having a fit
This would be one of the funnier defederation reasons so I support it on behalf of hexbear
I was browsing new, and it's just very silly so I had to comment. I'm not being inflammatory so it's OK.
> Hexbear user posts perfectly neutral comment
> Gets hit with an abrasive attitude
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Well, it's a public forum... But if you ask us not to make top-level comments in your meta post, I believe it's against our rules to go against your wishes.
We are making contingency plans for Operation I-Kiwi Freedom.
If you’re getting that worked about mild non-offensive inane comments I hate to imagine how worked up you get using a self-checkout machine. Chill out.
Holy shit dude, have you used one?
Please place item in bagging area. Are you using your own bags? [Yes]. Please wait for staff member to come over and give you permission to use your own bags. Would you like a receipt? [No]. Please take this 30 centimetre long piece of receipt paper that isn't a receipt, it's just printed with stuff you don't want.
I don't think it's justified getting all upset about a few comments, but if I saw an article about someone getting arrested for smashing a self-checkout machine then I'd assume the machine probably deserved it.
They're beyond annoying for sure, but I use them every chance I get. My grocery bill has gone way down since I've learned how to use self checkout... properly.
It constantly thinks I've placed an improper amount of weight and I'm stealing. As if I'd steal at the most watched area of the store like a chump. And the attendant has to come over four times!
I have actually abandoned my shopping and walked out because of one of those things.
Once again, the issue is that none of them actually participated meaningfully in the discussion, just turned the thread into one big circle jerk.
None of the individual comments were particularly bad, it's the overall effect that is the issue.
I would not support defederation based on this exchange. Surely the bar must be high for such an action?
Actually after reading the context, I don't agree with OP at all. I want more places to have Te Reo names, and I want people who dislike it to complain so they can be shut down. I love Te Reo and I want to defend it.
Every time I read a stupid comment and then check the instance 100% of the time it's hexbear.
So far I've not seen any rule breaking posts.
Yeah, that's exactly the issue. Nothing of value comes from their instance, but they do follow the rules.
If you're not going to engage in good faith with the discussion, then take a hike.
You're not great at providing examples or reasoning to back up your claims in this thread. You seem pretty trolling, dismissive, and hostile. Everything you're accusing others of being.
As I've said countless times now, they don't engage, they drown out. It's not each individual comment that's the problem, it's the overall effect.
There's more of them than there is of us, and they all upvote each other.
I like having an instance that isn't defederated from too much (except CSAM) because I enjoy being able to see and subscribe to what I want. Hexbear is a shitty place, but I don't like the idea of defederating because my feewings got hurt. I would prefer defederating because it's a legal/human rights necessity.
I have temporary blocked hexbear so we can have the conversation in peace.
I've read the various comments about it and have no idea why you would have to defederate with them. As long as they play by the rules it should be fine. Just downvote if you don't agree. The voting system will take care of it.
I think defederation should be a last resort.
Agreed. Defederation is a last resort. Let's not be our own circlejerk.
Downvoting doesn't work when there's more of them than there are of us, and they all upvote each other.
There's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution that works, eh dave?
I feel the fact you decided this was necessary kinda proves my point though.
I have filtered out a lot of the spammer accounts that just spew nonsense.
On one hand I'm lucky I can do that with sync. But on the other hand we shouldn't have to resort to whackamole.
I wouldn't mind if it was a few "bad apples", but every single fucking one of them are here to start arguments, call people racist, and generally act in the most abrasive manner possible.
What's the argument there? People shouldn't have oppositional discussions online? You just want to live in an echo chamber?
One of the saddest things about silicon valley social media products is the way they silo people off and prevent exchange of ideas.
And here on lemmy, reddit users who got used to it silo themselves off willingly.
The issue is, there is no discussion or exchange of ideas happening, just a group of people behaving like seagulls.
Very good faith reply here. I have no choice but to take you at face value.
That's always the way with these threads. Just formless whining that boils down to "they're too active" and you look at OP's user history and someone gently pushed back on them being casually racist the previous day.
People can disagree without being assholes or abrasive about it. I think that’s what ops referring to
That's a common perception of people who are unable to bear someone disagreeing with them. I've looked at the actual discussions they're complaining about. Not impressed by this attempt to turn a tantrum into a site issue.
The issue, as other commitments have pointed out, is that they all, quite consistently, behave in the most abrasive manner possible. It's not a "few bad apples", they're all like that.
Wow how can he bear that kind of sustained harassment? Glad he's holding up well.
They got that response because they were already flooding the thread, I don't care enough about them to engage with them on their level.
You cannot engage with people on any other level than what you are doing right now. I read your posts.
dont be racist if you dont want to be called racist. its really simple actually
The issue isn't so much what was said, it's that nothing of value has come from a single one of you, and you're basically flooding the place with shit takes.
You can always make an account here.
Here's my view. Lemmy.nz is intended for an NZ audience. Hexbear has been defederated from 5 of the top 8 largest instances. This is problematic for us, as their All is much more likely to show lemmy.nz posts than All on other instances. It starts to feel like we're being brigaded, even though we aren't, because their instance is the 10th largest Lemmy instance and yet they don't see most Lemmy posts (but they do see ours).
I don't have a problem with international audiences occasionally posting in our posts, even people with no connection to NZ. I think it provides some great perspective on our issues. But when you post a thread, and it gets overrun with international users, I think this becomes a problem.
This may not seem fair on them, but what I want is a friendly-feeling community, and recently we have had a different vibe.
Personally, I have become less inclined to participate. I've written up a post about the Papakangahorohoro street, then decided not to post it because by the time I'd written my 150 word article the thread had such hexbear comments as "Get over it crakkkas" and "sounds like the crackers should go back to europe if they dont like it".
I want to participate in a friendly community, and the last couple of days I have felt like I didn't want to participate because of the hexbear participation - and the participation of others stemming from that. For that reason, and no other, I think we should defederate. However, I want to hear what others think. Some counter-arguments would be great.
Does lemmy not have a block user function where you won’t see their comments? I guess that doesn’t help when you want to wholesale block users from an instance.
I personally haven’t seen anything worth defederating over so far. In any case I usually just scroll past or don’t interact with comments that are inflammatory. However as you’re the admin it’s your call. My only reservation is that we don’t have many contributors as it is.
Also you should have posted your 150 word article anyway.
