Buying from an alternative ecommerce site usually sucks: you have to register for every website, enter your address, payment information and other information, they may leak data or store it improperly, you may not know the reputation of the website or business, you can't easily compare products with other vendors and more. Amazon and ebay offer a centralized good experience and you know you can trust them with your purchase. They benefit the consumer by aggregating many businesses so it fosters competition lowering prices but they have so much power and they have done some anti consumer moves. Their fees could also be a problem. The same way mastodon offers a viable alternative to the deadbird platform and slice power to small instances while getting a better user experience. (And lemmy to Reddit.) A fediverse version of ecommerce could perhaps be viable: federated ecommerce that aggregates small business shops, handle the user details and let the business access it when you hit buy. Activity pub to communicate the listings and purchase orders. I am not a programmer and don't know the technical implementations of it. So what do you think?
Decentralized marketplace will just look like Craigslist and Facebook and other classified marketplaces; chock full of spam and scams.
The Federation would provide a great tool of figuring out the best way to build trust. A reputable server will only let people join if they are in some way reputable. Servers that let scammers flourish will become defederated. If course servers have to be comparable in size. If there's one server with 90% of users it doesn't work that well.
ActivityPub (the protocol used by the fediverse) has recently had a proposal to expand it incorporate marketplace exchanges of information. See the proposal, and a discussion thread
Looks good. While it looks more oriented towards a second-hand marketplace, its concepts can be extended to include business-to-consumer interactions as well. A mix of these systems could enhance the marketplace ecosystem's versatility and usefulness. Thanks for sharing the proposal
Well it’s a new proposal and open to suggestions and further extensions of course.
Think you just described crypto markets, and it'd be overrun with scams, fraud, legal issues, and zero accountability. Also my payment info and shipping address is the very last thing I want given to random decentralized instances ran by unknown people. No thanks.
At least when Amazon sends something shitty, they'll fight back against the seller and you're actually receiving something. Also big tech is significantly less likely to ever expose your personal information (addresses, payment info, etc) then some random instance owner.
So this is absolutely a terrible idea in a digital environment.
I’ve worked on payment systems. It is very hard to federate unless something like Stripe is used for actual payment.
Credit card companies simply won’t interface with you unless you prove their data is safe. It isn’t a process that scales well.
Brick and mortar companies get around this by having payment terminals which are insanely locked down. (Which is also why those terminals mostly suck)
Payment terminal aren't as locked down as you think.
They are shitty because manufacturers do the bare minimum and always ask for exceptions (and they often are granted).
Processors only want as much terminal as possible out there to make more money.
Using Stripe or equivalent must be used for such a platform. The sellers would just get a check or bank transfer, they'd never need to handle a credit transaction.
Providing just a searchable marketplace that then dispatches you to buy from the store where you have to enter your payment information for them? Sure. And I'd use it. But then, that's what the 'shopping' item on Google is.
If you then say "but I've got to enter my payment and shipping info with the store again" - is that as much of a problem as you make it out to be? Because they do need it to do the payment processing and shipping. Fortunately my browser knows who I am and so it auto fills much of that information.
The payment processing is a major hurdle. You're dealing with each company and each company has its relationship with the payment processor. They have different rates depending on how trustworthy they are and how much business they do. The less trust in the system, the more it costs. The smaller the volume, the more it costs again.
The companies that leak credit card data? They're gonna pay with increased payment processor costs. You may not see it, but behind the scenes you've got https://www.commerce.uwo.ca/pdf/PCI-DSS-v4_0.pdf (that's a 350 page checklist for the standards for handling payment cards).
Assume that we've handled payment... logistics. Amazon has their enormous warehouses and automation that they've invested in (the robots are originally from Kiva - https://www.fromscratchradio.org/show/mick-mountz ). Having everything in one place and then dispatching works well and saves money. If I buy something from Best Buy and something else from Pottery Barn and something else from Williams Sonoma -- they don't share a warehouse and so they're each doing their own shipping with whoever they've contracted to do shipping.
Amazon again got big enough that they've got their own last mile shipping (and since they've got coverage with distribution centers it makes it even more efficient). Shipping from DC to DC is cheap - it's the last mile that has the expenses.
So, its cheaper (and more carbon / energy efficient) for someone to buy from Amazon and get one package from a marketplace where Amazon manages the payment, inventory, and logistics for delivery than it is to have it be managed from multiple vendors each with their own payment, inventory, and logistics.
Presenting the marketplace is the 'easy' part of this. Payment, inventory, and logistics are hard and aren't solved by federation but rather made more complex and worse from the standpoint of the consumer.
don't see mention of magpie market yet https://codeberg.org/MagpieMarket
Maybe there was a glitch on Codeberg? it's working for me currently anyway
Magpie Market aims to be a federated alternative to Etsy, allowing sellers to leverage the fediverse to sell their goods and services.
I think having your own store you control, like with WooCommerce, is enough.
What we need is more freedom respecting payment system and the closest thing I saw someone is working on is GNU Taler.
I think this is a bad idea. Not to be a downer but commercialism is what is rotting the web. Bringing that cancer to the Fediverse would be asking for the same.
Lemmy.world crowd is never going to be about anything but sucking off big tech like Amazon.
I posted this exact idea a week ago. Good that it finally gets discussed. :)
