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Edit 2: THIS is the article she posted to, where it states the following:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/19/reddit-and-the-struggle-to-detoxify-the-internet
Still, it made the team’s intentions clearer. Jessica Ashooh, Reddit’s head of policy, spent four years as a policy consultant in Abu Dhabi. “I know what it’s like to live under censorship,” she said. “My internal check, when I’m arguing for a restrictive policy on the site, is Do I sound like an Arab government? If so, maybe I should scale it back.”
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/56333
r/ChapoTrapHouse was quarantined in August 2019 and finally banned on 30th June 2020 as part of a ban wave resulting from an update to reddit's content policy. Although over 2000 subs were banned in that wave r/ChapoTrapHouse was by far the most active, accounting for the majority of subscribers and users.
So, who decides Reddit's content policy? The answer seems to be the whole board, but drafting and enforcing it falls under the portfolio of Reddit's Director of Policy, Jessica Ashooh, who as you may or may not be aware, is a CIA plant.
This isn't some grand conspiracy theory or anything, it's not even particularly well hidden. A glance at the employment history listed on her linkedin page is enough to create suspicion and a few public domain FOIA internal CIA documents about her places of employment should prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
When she was appointed to her position at Reddit, Jessica Ashooh never worked at a social media company before, had never held a senior position in a private sector company, and had spent the last 7 years working public sector jobs.
Her immediate past position, from March 2015 - May 2017, was as Deputy Director Middle East Strategy Task Force at the Atlantic Council and before that from June 2011 to February 2015 she was a Senior Analyst at the Policy Planning Department of the UAE Ministry of Foreign Affairs
As this internal CIA document made publically available by FOIA shows, The Atlantic Council, is a CIA front.
As for how intimately involved she was with reddit's anti-evil program that got r/ChapoTrapHouse banned, well, here's a 2018 interview where she talks about it in her own words and goes through a day in the life.
Still, it made the team’s intentions clearer. Jessica Ashooh, Reddit’s head of policy, spent four years as a policy consultant in Abu Dhabi. “I know what it’s like to live under censorship,” she said. “My internal check, when I’m arguing for a restrictive policy on the site, is Do I sound like an Arab government? If so, maybe I should scale it back.” On the other hand, she said, “people hide behind the notion that there’s a bright line between ideology and action, but some ideologies are inherently more violent than others.”
In October, on the morning the new policy was rolled out, Ashooh sat at a long conference table with a dozen other employees. Before each of them was a laptop, a mug of coffee, and a few hours’ worth of snacks. “Welcome to the Policy Update War Room,” she said. “And, yes, I’m aware of the irony of calling it a war room when the point is to make Reddit less violent, but it’s too late to change the name.” The job of policing Reddit’s most pernicious content falls primarily to three groups of employees—the community team, the trust-and-safety team, and the anti-evil team—which are sometimes described, respectively, as good cop, bad cop, and RoboCop. Community stays in touch with a cross-section of redditors, asking them for feedback and encouraging them to be on their best behavior. When this fails and redditors break the rules, trust and safety punishes them. Anti-evil, a team of back-end engineers, makes software that flags dodgy-looking content and sends that content to humans, who decide what to do about it.
Ashooh went over the plan for the day. All at once, they would replace the old policy with the new policy, post an announcement explaining the new policy, warn a batch of subreddits that they were probably in violation of the new policy, and ban another batch of subreddits that were flagrantly, irredeemably in violation. I glanced at a spreadsheet with a list of the hundred and nine subreddits that were about to be banned (r/KKK, r/KillAllJews, r/KilltheJews, r/KilltheJoos), followed by the name of the employee who would carry out each deletion, and, if applicable, the reason for the ban (“mostly just swastikas?”). “Today we’re focussing on a lot of Nazi stuff and bestiality stuff,” Ashooh said. “Context matters, of course, and you shouldn’t get in trouble for posting a swastika if it’s a historical photo from the 1936 Olympics, or if you’re using it as a Hindu symbol. But, even so, there’s a lot that’s clear-cut.” I asked whether the same logic—that the Nazi flag was an inherently violent symbol—would apply to the Confederate flag, or the Soviet flag, or the flag under which King Richard fought the Crusades. “We can have those conversations in the future,” Ashooh said. “But we have to start somewhere.”
At 10 a.m., the trust-and-safety team posted the announcement and began the purge. “Thank you for letting me do DylannRoofInnocent,” one employee said. “That was one of the ones I really wanted.”
“What is ReallyWackyTicTacs?” another employee asked, looking down the list.
“Trust me, you don’t want to know,” Ashooh said. “That was the most unpleasant shit I’ve ever seen, and I’ve spent a lot of time looking into Syrian war crimes.”
Some of the comments on the announcement were cynical. “They don’t actually want to change anything,” one redditor wrote, arguing that the bans were meant to appease advertisers. “It was, in fact, never about free speech, it was about money.” One trust-and-safety manager, a young woman wearing a leather jacket and a ship captain’s cap, was in charge of monitoring the comments and responding to the most relevant ones. “Everyone seems to be taking it pretty well so far,” she said. “There’s one guy, freespeechwarrior, who seems very pissed, but I guess that makes sense, given his username.” “Are we gonna have to scrape the Daddy decal off the minivan?”
“People are making lists of all the Nazi subs getting banned, but nobody has noticed that we’re banning bestiality ones at the same time,” Ashooh said.
“No one wants to admit it,” an employee said. “ ‘Guys, I was just browsing r/HorseCock and I couldn’t help but notice . . .’ ”
The woman in the captain’s cap said, “O.K., someone just asked, ‘How will the exact phrase “kill yourself” be handled?’ ”
“It all depends on context,” Ashooh said. “They’re going to get tired of hearing that, but it’s true.”
“Uh-oh, looks like we missed a bestiality sub,” the woman in the captain’s cap said. >“Apparently, SexWithDogs was on our list, but DogSex was not.”
“Did you go to DogSex?” Ashooh said.
“Yep.”
“And what’s on it?”
“I mean . . .”
“Are there people having sex with dogs?”
“Oh, yes, very much.”
“Yeah, ban it.”
“I’m going to get more cheese sticks,” the woman in the captain’s cap said, standing up. “How many cheese sticks is too many in one day? At what point am I encouraging or glorifying violence against my own body?”
“It all depends on context,” Ashooh said.
So there you have it, Ashooh is almost certainly a CIA plant and as Director of Policy was almost certainly the one who both wrote the policy that got r/ChapoTrapHouse banned and made the final decision to bring down the hammer.
r/ChapoTrapHouse got banned by the CIA.
So congratulations to all of you beautiful people.
We posted hard and effectively enough that the feds engaged in a multi-year op to shut us down. Never let it be said that posting isn't praxis, or that communist ideas are inherently unpopular or unpalatable to the people living in the imperial core.
r/ChapoTrapHouse dies with the highest honours a leftist publication in the West can receive, it got so effective the glowy bois had to take action to shut it down. And we lived on to start it again in a way that can't be shut down so easily.
Being a subreddit gave r/ChapoTrapHouse the unique ability to reach reddit's userbase but the brand recognition's still there, and there's nothing stopping us reposting watermarked chapo.chat content to subs which aren't banned.
So stay safe, semper post, keep spreading the word about chapo.chat and remember that our primary purpose is as part of a pipeline. Help make Chapo.chat a fun and welcoming place so that the libs who stumble here bother to stay and be educated by osmosis.
With effort and a little luck we can rebuild this website into the subreddit the feds felt the need to shut down having removed their ability to do so.
It is simply not possible for me to read through all of this. Wish I could.
But it sounds like your harassing someone for taking positions that you feel are contradictory, when they are not. And your taking great pains to justify why it's ok to harass this person.
Spoiler, it's not justified. EDIT: Spent 30 minutes trying to read through everything linked in the post including: The original article The original hexbear post Jessica's linkedin Her Atlantic Council bio (an failed attempt to find) the original linked CIA document
Have some questions/comments/summary
Thank you to those who have been kind in this process of me doing the research, and spending the effort to make this edit.
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn't that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense.
Get where your coming from here, and I generally agree.
It felt like it would have taken me several hours to get to that place though.
God why am I even relying here I don't have time to get 7 more replies for a comment that boiled down to 'sorry I couldn't finish but I don't think I agree'
Sorry, couldn't read that. I already know you're wrong, though, so I'll just hold that opinion without investigating what you're actually saying.
Frankly? That's one of the more fair replies I've gotten lol. You already know you probably disagree with me, and your using my same reasoning lol
Lol fair enough
Asking a policy director what their directive-policy is. Shocking.
Siri, how do I read?
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Gotcha thank ya, the phrasing I got to did not sound like that to me in the post As in, she reposted it herself on her LinkedIn?
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Not possible or don't want to? One is a self own at your own literacy levels.
Maybe if the OP posted a TL;DR, have an AI read it on tik tok you might find it interesting.
Really just don't want to, since I got a third a the way in. Realized I was only a third in Realized I didn't really agree so far Remembered some of the ideological differences between myself and some posts here Decided it would be too much effort to go through the rest for too little benefit.
It's a single page of text
Wait, are we literally seeing different things cus of different instances? I see 1500 words (did a copy paste check). Screenshot is too large for me to post.
But to be clear, I'd also need to read all linked articles. This is not a quick task, unless I'm misunderstanding something.
ok maybe it's 2-3 pages, but I'm pretty sure you've spent longer arguing about this than it would have taken to read it.
Your right - so I actually finally just spent a half hour to read through all related available material that I could find 100% took me longer to read through and reply to this stuff lol
it takes like 5 minutes to read. the absolute state of literacy is mind-boggling.
Have you ever read something that you disagree with where you feel the need to do supplemental research in order to form a accurate opinion because you feel like the source is biased?
yes, all the time. and I pretty much always do it because there's clearly a gap in my knowledge. what I don't do is refuse to read because it takes work.
So, the bare post is 1500 words, not counting any links. Do you really read posts at 300 words per minute? To me, that's skimming, which I try to not do. Can't imagine trying to read something that quickly that I wanted to properly digest.
give or take, yeah. I've read a lot since like my third year in school. about the only thing that slows me down are works that are dense in unfamiliar terminology or those that involve philosophical concepts. but even if it were going to me 10x as long, I always invest the time to read it, if it's something that doesn't already fit into my worldview, whether I agree with the content or not.
I truly commend you for that. Wish I could - just realized I've talked to you a bit here already! I continue to wish you the best! For what its worth, it took me a half hour (some of which was while I should have been paying more attention to my baby....) to get through all related context.
cheers!
Bro. Excuse me WHAT? Your logic, or lack thereof, makes ZERO sense.
Just read it or gtfo. You obviously have 0 context to comment anyway.
I have now spent the requisite half hour reading through related materials, and I'm gonna edit my post
Anyone who supports capitalism has no room to talk about violent idiologies.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-6/mswv6_11.htm
"iam to interlectually castrated to even read something, but this does not diminsh my initial Position or Judgment , Authority is Right , Dissent is bad !"
Wow it sure is easy to prove someone is a dumbass when you put words in their mouth, isn't it. Sure is easy to post something like that when the vast majority of the community agrees with you. Almost like it gives you... Authority to just kinda be mean.
Why am I replying. At this point it's caused me as much stress and time as it would have to actually give the post the time it may have deserved to research.
you get a link , chill lecture from 1986
if this time you have "interest" (oh concure it !, the Mysteries of the World dont they call you ?) , you can click this link .. it might be better its something you can watch ...
and then just Muse alitte bit .. "passiv income and Active Income" , whats the "law of Nature" between them ?
sorry if i overdid the Smuglord emotje ..
For what its worth, my personal easiest-to-consume media is podcast (ideally in a form where its a proper conversation and ideas that are being presented are being challenged). Less about text-vs-video, more about time-i-have-free. Podcasts at least I can focus on while doing other activities.
This does feel like an interesting video to watch, though I'm about 5 minutes in from your start-point) and I may be a bit out of time. May get back to this at some point, but I sadly don't have the 80 minutes to finish it, much less the time to do the additional research required (since IMO a lecture by itself on a subject like this may simply take some things I disagree with as fact, rather than proving them to me)
blowback podcast is pretty dope , .. goes into all the nasty swamp of Empire they just released Seaseon 4 (sick Trailer) Maybe give it a Try... its prettty well produced , soundbits etc..
no we proof our claims , allways we do not have Media Hegemony , thats why we only have "beeing well Sourced" so you really dont have to worry about it with communist. our Claim are Proofed and we always share the Proof because its way more efficent if you "just see for yourself"..
As we dont vaguely repeat the Media Narrative , But Oppose it , we are wel better sourced then anybody thats just read NYT or Fox news..
here is an Example , this is the Ceasefire Monitoring Mission for Ukraine , do you Notice something that Media did not Bother to tell you ?
We tell you what Media misses to tell you ,.. We Proof our Claims we provide the Context that your Masters dont want to be Provided.
Man, I was refering to one section of the video you linked me to didn't mean it to be a personal attack.
i didnt take it as one , dont you worry..
it my duty to assit now, as i have have fallen into guilt towards your "comfort" ...
agianst the stress.Music.
Sadsong
Nicesong
80's song
Thank you lol it was genuinely nice to listen to while I was reading through what I had to read
Tuareg Blue is a killer
Best Guitarr Music
that i know of