America into a re-vitalized, progressive nation with strong social welfare. (This may sound absurd, but I have a whole set of reasonings and indicators supporting this that are too long to elaborate here)

How'd that one work out?

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    I'm gonna ignore stages 1-3 which I have various disagreements with but isn't the main problem really, I just want to ask why you think stage 4 will be a socialist outcome and not a fascist outcome given historical precedents or revolution attempts in the imperial core.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        So what happens to all the ideological fascists we've seen grow over the last 20 or so years? At what point do they stop growing and why don't they play a major part in any of this? Does Biden murder them all or do re-education programs?

        The entire thesis of Marx about the development of capitalism and its contradictions giving way to socialism would have to be wrong.

        It was wrong in that he believed it would happen in advanced industrialised countries rather than those that are at the highest level of exploitation. This was his euro exceptionalist brainworms talking at the time.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            Their backers aren't weakened. Industrial and manufacturing labour simply exists where it previously did not. Their backers retain all the money and power they always had on top of gaining a far greater incentive to invest in fascists as an opposition to the growing labour movement.

            Socialists will not win under these conditions, against half a country already fascist that only needs organising, and a political structure that is already seeing true believer fascists funded by democrats and getting into power. You think Florida is magically going to stop being fascist after what has been done to it? When? Why? What is happening with all the fascists? Nothing is. They've been on a path of growth for 35 years now and they will continue on this path.

      • JuneFall [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        You do also think that the US stays monolithic hegemomial due to the dollar game, while the multipolar world doesn't come to fruition. I do think that if industrial capacity somewhere else is destroyed then other places will get to the forefront, this doesn't have to be the USA.