Nothing confounds me more than the droves of "libertarian socialists" and "anarcho-communists" who insist on clinging to the world's least relevant ideologies. Speaking as someone who used to be an anarchist (before I became old enough to drink), I can identify at least part of the reason being a vehement anti-Soviet and Sinophobic worldview cultivated by decades of malicious propaganda.
But I don't think this critique gets to the core of their beliefs. The true operative factor is twofold. On the one hand, anticommunist "socialists" avoid the consequences that come from aligning oneself with actually-existing socialism. This boils down to the simple fact that no one, especially not the powerful, are actually threatened by western leftist "movements" which spend all of their time and resources owning the red fash tankies online. Functionally, radlibs and liberals are on the same team aside from some nominal points of disagreement. This is clear enough from the Ukraine news cycle and its predictable effects on the minds of these terminal losers.
But on the other hand, every single anarchist "revolution" ending in defeat and failure has advantages for those who wish to profess to the ideology. Within radlib mythology, the fundamental failures of anarchist movements can all be blamed on external sabotage. This, of course, is exactly what we have been shouting from the rooftops for decades upon decades. And yet this seemingly obvious point of weakness shields anarchists from having to prove that their ideas actually work. If you have no surviving socialist project, there's nothing to criticize.
Obviously, this is in actuality a serious problem for every anarchist. When all "anarchist" socialist states are fanciful stories of flawless communism sealed in the distant past, there is no scientific socialism and no historical progress along those lines. Apparently, this suits them just fine, though it does make them deeply unserious.
I honestly, dare I say unsurprisingly, have an easier time trying to talk about AES with the sample platter of vaguely apolitical normal people than I do any "leftists".
Both groups might have some pre-conditioned retorts that are difficult to answer in brief--it's hard to talk about one issue without talking about all of them for me--but at least normal people engage in reasonably good faith with me. The "leftists" just act like they know it all and are incredibly condescending and close minded.
Same. Turns out regular people actually don't give a shit if you start screeching CHINA BAD GENOCIDE BILLION DEATH when someone shows them a nice picture of a Chinese subway station.
I think it's a mistake for anarchists to see their project as wholly separate from that of communists, instead of something with different strategic relevance at different stages.
It's easy to forget that there was a Black Scare just like there was a Red Scare, and that capitalist governments will heavily propagandize against any form of socialism that poses a considerable threat, and escalate this according to the degree which they feel threatened.
It's just a name I'm giving to the trend of how anarchists were public enemy #1 for a few decades around the turn of the century until the USSR got going and the gears switched.
Same logic, different targets.
Oh fair, I have a couple of terms im trying to stamp myself too lol, like 'social fascist', which has a political history in europe going back to the 30s, but that im trying to re-appropiate to mean fascists who use social wedge issues to accelerate there politics; case in point TERFs in the UK quoting adolf hitler (real)
Do you have any examples of anarchist state repression before the USSR era?
I'm generally talking about the period from Haymarket to Sacco and Vanzetti, inclusive.
The government put lots of efforts into controlling narratives about Emma Goldman and Lucy Parsons, among others, and the IWW were often hounded by regional law enforcement.
Here's a fun deeper dive:
https://allthingscomedy.com/podcasts/320---the-wobblies-go-to-everett
Yes, but it's largely associated with anarcho-syndicalists who were represented in it way above proportion.
Wait Anarcho Syndicalists? They had some historical relevance not associated with that one monty python skit
There are plenty of anarchists doing good on-the-ground work. And there are plenty of communists who are terminally online. As much as we make fun and get frustrated with anarchist analysis and their lack of historical knowledge, I don't think we can characterize either movement as a whole of spending the majority of their time dunking in comment sections. In my own experience with anarchists and other left tendencies there is not nearly as much infighting as you would be led to believe online. Plenty of people are doing the work and have their eye on the larger contradiction, which is opposing the bourgeois state.
The anticapitalist movement is still reemerging in the West after decades of McCarthyism and it's going to take time for people to become more learned about socialist history and ideology. Communism is getting more popular, albeit slowly. I personally think that the popularity of anarchism in the West is a phase that is temporary. Experience will lead people to Marxism.
The anarchist space performs an essential role for radicalization - it allows a way for someone to radicalize left without rejecting the narrative posed by the capitalist propaganda machine. This is how I was first radicalized. The capitalist propaganda is so pervasive that its easy to take many of its assumptions for granted. Even if you begin to reject the narrative, it's hard to avoid falling into the assumptions posed by it. Radicalizing leftward makes it easier to reject the capitalist narrative later, allowing radicalization to happen in phases.
Much of the infighting between anarchists and tankies is, in my view, created by the capitalist propaganda machine. By manufacturing conflict they make coordination between us more difficult, and also slow the radicalization process from anarchist to tankie.
Not to mention, so many of these public internet disagreements are likely involving bots.
CIA bots making bad-faith arguments to defame and fracture leftist movements, I suspect.
Sorry, that was kind of a throwaway line. Of course anarchists do good work, and I know the infighting isn't so bad in "real life." Even so, I do think anarchism as a movement is driven by a desire to separate itself from AES, and that doing so entails the problems I've described. There's a reason it's a mostly western phenomenon. These are people who want to think of themselves as radicals, but have internalized too much propaganda to figure out when and how their media and schools lie to them. Consequently, they are pigeonholed into a movement which has effectively served as controlled opposition for American intelligence for the past sixty years or so.
Anyone can do good work. Even Democrats sometimes do good work. But at some point, we need to get on the same page as to what "opposing the bourgeois state" actually means. It means multipolarity. It means opposing NATO expansion. It means maintaining normal relations with China. There are those who drag their feet on these issues, and it's not a mystery where that reluctance is coming from.
I feel ya. It's maddening. But I think after anarchists are confronted with reality it'll convert a lot of them. It'll take some ugly lessons though.
I personally think that the popularity of anarchism in the West is a phase that is temporary.
my experience as well, its happened many a time in organizing
also why no org lasts too long because it just gets too radical for the libs to handle and so they split and die
In the absence of any successful anarchist revolutions, no one can criticize their ideas for being wrong. The "trap of falsifiability" is what they avoid by not associating with AES.
I think that might be the "trap of unfalsifiability" instead. But also, it doesn't recognise that as a word, so I don't know.
