• Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    It's so funny how westerners get shocked by china achieving something they invest many billions into every year that has an extremely high political priority

    • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Westerners are so used to the unorganized, inept privatized sectors slowly milking the money out of the system and only producing slow results.

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
        hexagon
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        1 year ago

        China’s industries were like that too. But their private sector is more nuanced and the government will actually take steps to force them to stop fucking around (even if they don’t seize it), while in the west you can lost $5 billion in some monkey crypto elon mungus kkkoin and it’s just called a free market risk

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
        hexagon
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        1 year ago

        Except the ones we like. They’re alright (I cannot tell the difference between the various Chinese nationalities biden-alert )

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      When you accept bad governance as a fact of life, you expect everyone else to be the same

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      They're being aggressive because they aren't curling up in the fetal position and begging for our forgiveness after we tried to nuke their economy

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      I also recall the west being the only superpower community that has invaded Africa and the Middle East since 2000 and the US unilaterally sanctioning everyone and threatening to sanction everyone who doesn’t follow their lead.

  • Mokey [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    So is US media going to blame all Chinese development on theft even after the Chinese move past them?

    • SuperZutsuki [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      "Did the Chinese 'invent' a time machine to steal American secrets from the future? Here's what experts are saying."

      xigma-male

    • SeducingCamel [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      They'll discredit them however they can saying shit like "china only developed the fastest chip in the world because their base is stolen IP"

  • Adkml [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    "US wants details on China made chips"

    Well golly gee maybe you shouldn't have refused to cooperate with them on chips to the point of refusing to export any.

    Like a child that refuses to let somebody into their clubhouse but then immediately gets mad when the other kids say they'll go make their own.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      They can also just buy it lol. But instead they have to pay some CIA asset to ship it from a non-ban country to the US lol

  • albigu@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    I like how their response for an ineffective sanction is just "further sanctions." Yeah, that'll do the trick, sure, go for it USA!

  • zephyreks [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Nevermind that China has a huge domestic research industrial base, China has also poached a bunch of TSMC engineers recently (obviously, since Taiwan and Mainland China are so similar culturally and pay in large Chinese cities is very similar to Taiwan).

    Plus, TSMC work culture is sort of fucked and has a shit ton of bureaucracy that a newer upstart can avoid. The only reason the West doesn't have semiconductor foundry startups is because nobody is willing to dump a billion dollars into an unknown quantity.

    For what it's worth, that's also why the big US semiconductor companies also have absolute dogshit work culture.

    Basically, anyone surprised by this is a fucking idiot. Anyone with one ounce of sense could have realized that Huawei doesn't need to dodge sanctions because they have the largest supply of semiconductor engineers in the world literally on their doorstep. This feat could have been achieved without hiring a single person from Mainland China, and it would have been entirely legal.

    Nevermind that, people seem to forget how TSMC was founded. About 20 years after the US had been an established player (Intel, AMD/GloFo, TI, Philips/NXP, etc.) in the semiconductor foundry business, the Taiwanese government decided that the foundry game was something they were interested in and decided to dump massive swaths of money into not only the company but into the supporting infrastructure (a cadre of elite semiconductor schools, for one).

    Decades later, the government has made it so that the most desirable job in Taiwan isn't to become a lawyer or doctor, but to become a TSMC engineer. If Taiwan could do it, why can't China? China has more people, better schools, more money, and more resources... And SMIC was founded more than two decades ago. It was actually around this point in TSMC's company history that they received their first order from Apple.

    White people are racist as fuck.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      West doesn't have semiconductor foundry startups is because nobody is willing to dump a billion dollars into an unknown quantity.

      Not true. Biden gave IBM or Intel billions of dollars recently to accelerate the process of domestic chips. They fired a bunch of the engineers and used the money to increase shareholder profits