The main argument about why it is a genocide is that Ukraine was anti ussr, anti Russia, nationalist and seperatist so stalin wanted to crush them down. Problem is West Ukraine was not affected highly by the famine even though they are the most seperatist and least pro ussr while regions with high support for ussr were no less affected by the famine
Yep. The modern description of it in the west, and the very term "Holodomor" is Ukrainian nationalist propaganda - meant to solidify an anti-Russian, anti-Soviet Ukrainian identity on a myth of genocide. There's zero evidence for the USSR ever trying to kill off Ukrainians for being Ukrainians. Among other obvious lies, it ignores the dead Russians and Kazakhs and then equates Soviets with Russians, turning "rural Soviets starved" to "Russians starved Ukrainians". They then deploy it to write off pro-Soviet Ukrainians as Russians shipped in to replace the dead Ukrainians - which is the most made up story in the lot.
The main argument about why it is a genocide is that Ukraine was anti ussr, anti Russia, nationalist and seperatist so stalin wanted to crush them down. Problem is West Ukraine was not affected highly by the famine even though they are the most seperatist and least pro ussr while regions with high support for ussr were no less affected by the famine
Yep. The modern description of it in the west, and the very term "Holodomor" is Ukrainian nationalist propaganda - meant to solidify an anti-Russian, anti-Soviet Ukrainian identity on a myth of genocide. There's zero evidence for the USSR ever trying to kill off Ukrainians for being Ukrainians. Among other obvious lies, it ignores the dead Russians and Kazakhs and then equates Soviets with Russians, turning "rural Soviets starved" to "Russians starved Ukrainians". They then deploy it to write off pro-Soviet Ukrainians as Russians shipped in to replace the dead Ukrainians - which is the most made up story in the lot.