• LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      Thats never really been grounds for war in the past.

      Cuban Missile Crisis ring any bells? The crackers nearly destroyed the planet over it.

    • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      We have gone far further than any of those.

      Imagine if the Soviet Union gave Vietnam missiles and explicit permission to strike US cities during the war.

      That is an entirely different scale of involvement that has never been tested against a large power before.

      • Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        and explicit permission to strike US cities during the war

        While also providing direct targeting data for it to happen

        • combat_brandonism [they/them]
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          1 year ago

          A better hypothetical would be if we invaded Mexico and the Russians gave them missiles to defend themselves.

          Huh, I remember something almost exactly like this happening 61 years ago that was probably the closest the world has been to nuclear war.

        • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          What is the difference? In both cases one side is giving missiles for the explicit purpose of striking the rivals cities.

          Distance is pointless when that capability only exists due to the missiles provided.

          WW3 is a real threat. Imagine if Russian responds by blowing up the trains the missiles are on in Poland? Or striking a Western city in turn?

          We are relying on the restraint of gangster led Russia to avoid nuclear war here ffs.

            • boboblaw [he/him, they/them]
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              1 year ago

              Are we debating the moral merit

              No, you're bringing morality into this when it doesn't belong. You're confusing your feelings of moral justification for strategic justification.

              Whether or not there's a substantial moral difference between invading a neighboring country and invading one on the other side of the planet is irrelevant in this scenario. If a geopolitical rival provides that invaded country with the means to launch missile strikes into your territory, the response will be the same.

              Your tendency to base major decisions on feelings of moral outrage or self righteousness are not how war planning is or should be done. It reeks of the condescending assumption that it is the job of America to be world police, and punish the wrongdoers.

              He just made a classic blunder, and got his hand caught in the cookie jar.

              I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but it doesn't matter one iota whether or not Officer America thinks Putin has been caught being naughty. Your desire to punish him will always have to be weighed against the possibility of nuclear Armageddon.

              I felt like that had to be said, because I think you psychos are still likely to think it's worth it.

          • Venus [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            You're not a capitalist, you're just a lib bootlicker

            Capitalists don't waste their time defending capitalism online, they're busy doing drugs and pretending to work

              • Venus [she/her]
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                1 year ago

                Not generally. The capitalist class is a specific thing, it's not based on vibes.

                  • Venus [she/her]
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                    1 year ago

                    Of course liberals support capitalism and cannot be socialist. The problem is that capitalist is simply not the word for someone who supports capitalism in the same way that socialist is the word for someone who supports socialism. It's an unintuitive language quirk, but not a unique one.

                    If we were to redefine capitalist to mean "everyone who supports capitalism" we need a new word for what capitalist means. And considering "everyone who supports capitalism" is a group consisting basically only of liberals and fascists, I don't see why such a word is necessary. 99% of the time you would use this redefined form of capitalist, liberal would be sufficient.

                    I suspect that you are a pig with shit on its balls

                      • Venus [she/her]
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                        1 year ago

                        You're just going on giant hostile rants because you can't admit that you don't know the basic definition of the word capitalist and then accusing me of "gatekeeping" and "purity testing" because I do know the definition of that word

                        A capitalist is a member of the class which owns the means of production under capitalism. Your racist Vietnam vet neighbor John isn't a capitalist no matter how much boot he licks or how shitty he is.

        • boboblaw [he/him, they/them]
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          1 year ago

          Dang, you got us you master rhetoritician. There has never been a nuclear war so there's no reason to think there may ever be a nuclear war. Gosh you're smart. Especially when your arguments alternate between smug inanity and barely controlled frothing at the mouth.