ah yes, when I think of western weapons manufacturing, I think of these two things. That's why they can't compare, because Moscow is cheating at weapons production.
Complete bullshit, always framing obvious failures of the system as "moral victories" it's disgusting.
Can't acknowledge their over profiteering (loot) from war so, it's cheaper in Russia coz of ignoring safety standards bullshit.
US is fucked, more because it's been completely sold to it's ruling class that will let it bleed to death out of greed and for profit if it is ever in a war with Chinese or Russian state.
So first of all American liberals must try to wage and win a war with their real daddies (ruling class) first, before they should even think of going for the one with Russians or Chinese.
Probably that's why they choose proxy wars now. Because historically they have lost each and every single direct war that their daddies waged and now they are setting the precedent in proxy ones too.
The quality part is what gets me. The west's weapons have demonstrably been shown to be worse quality than Russian ones at this point. They're just living in this fantasy where every sign that they are failing is actually proof that they are winning somehow.
While I can believe Russian health and safety standards aren't the best, I doubt very, very much that the $4–5,400 price difference per shell is spent (entirely) on improved working conditions at western factories. That's potentially the most outrageous thing I've ever heard and I once spoke to a jellyfish, which did not respond. But if I were to speak to it again, it might say something like this:
The answer is right there in the prose. The price difference is because the Russians save three millimetres worth of metal for every shell (it's probably 3mm³ but the text isn't clear). That metal could even be wrought iron, which doesn't come cheap.
The west should make their ammunitions smaller than the Russians'. Maybe start with just a small decrease in size, like 149mm. This would, by my calculations at the correct ratio and taking health and safety into account, reduce the cost of each shell to roughly $5–600.
The Russians aren't silly and they do like an arms race with the west. By Christmas they are likely to go even smaller. Maybe down to 146mm @ $60. Now we see there's a predictable trend and what the Russians won't know is that the west has already started to produce 143mm shells at the same price!
Eventually, the west will be able to fit two shells into one artillery-thing, which is bound to have some advantages. For a start it will solve the problem of not having enough weapons because every weapon will now be twice as effective.
Eventually, if the west keeps going with this winning strategy, the cost of it's shells will become $0. Some time after that, the size will become 0mm, too. Like a good game of Connect Jelly 4, if the west drops it's pieces right, the Russians will get to zero first and then won't be able to fight at all.
Personally, I would not take advice from a jellyfish even if it was sentient. It would probably just spook me, tbh, and they have the right shape to dress up as a ghost, too.
For real. The majority of the price difference isn't materials or workplace safety but privatized vs state enterprise. A sizeable chunk of the $5000 price difference is the cut that goes to the shareholders of General Dynamics. It's the same reason the Chinese J20 costs so much less than the F35 and had dramatically less production issues.
Russia only had a privatized defense industry from the early 1990s until in 2007 they decided privatization of certain industries was a mistake. They undid the privatization of their aerospace, defense, high tech manufacturing, and key heavy industries. It's taken almost a decade to repair the damage of privatization and rebuild capacity but we are now seeing the fruits of those efforts.
In Russia their 155mm artillery shells are currently manufactured by KBP Instrument Design Bureau, a wholey owned subsidiary of the Russia state owned Rostec holding corporation.
In the US all their 155mm artillery shells are manufactured at the US government owned Scranton Army Ammunition Plant, which is operated by the private sector defense contractor General Dynamics. That same facility used to be able to produce over a million 155mm field artillery shells per month back in the 1940s before modern factory automation and even today claims to have the ability to ramp back to that capacity (at a cost) with only a couple months notice. As part of the US propaganda blitz, BusinessInsider recently did a PR and tour video of the plant.
Nah you don't get it, that extra 3mm is actually the source of the cost since it's made out of solid gold, and obviously if it costs more it must be better. So it's actually very normal for an artillery round to cost that much.
Please ignore the fact that gold wouldn't even be close to that price because it ruins my joke.
Russian military industrial complex is highly centralized and nationalized. We buy weapons from Russia regularly. Though Russian aircrafts need some work.
Huh, I thought those deals got kind of quietly rolled back, and India went on to produce homemade weapons? At least I think that was the case with assault rifles
We don't manufacture much and even if we do some its not a big scale production, we are buying newer weapons like S400 and we love BrahMos type missiles which was a joint venture between India and Russia (although it will be mostly Russia's contribution) .
I watched a video in which Medvedev told the private and public MIC managers of Russia that if they don't fulfill the quota of the government then they will face what Stalin did in 1941-45. I mean there were reports that high ranking executives of several companies were committing suicide in Russia by jumping out of the window.
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"Safety and quality"
ah yes, when I think of western weapons manufacturing, I think of these two things. That's why they can't compare, because Moscow is cheating at weapons production.
Complete bullshit, always framing obvious failures of the system as "moral victories" it's disgusting.
Can't acknowledge their over profiteering (loot) from war so, it's cheaper in Russia coz of ignoring safety standards bullshit.
US is fucked, more because it's been completely sold to it's ruling class that will let it bleed to death out of greed and for profit if it is ever in a war with Chinese or Russian state.
So first of all American liberals must try to wage and win a war with their real daddies (ruling class) first, before they should even think of going for the one with Russians or Chinese.
Probably that's why they choose proxy wars now. Because historically they have lost each and every single direct war that their daddies waged and now they are setting the precedent in proxy ones too.
The quality part is what gets me. The west's weapons have demonstrably been shown to be worse quality than Russian ones at this point. They're just living in this fantasy where every sign that they are failing is actually proof that they are winning somehow.
Russia appears to have typed in OPERATION CWAL and SHOW ME THE MONEY at the start of the mission.
While I can believe Russian health and safety standards aren't the best, I doubt very, very much that the $4–5,400 price difference per shell is spent (entirely) on improved working conditions at western factories. That's potentially the most outrageous thing I've ever heard and I once spoke to a jellyfish, which did not respond. But if I were to speak to it again, it might say something like this:
Personally, I would not take advice from a jellyfish even if it was sentient. It would probably just spook me, tbh, and they have the right shape to dress up as a ghost, too.
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The weakness and corruption in western countries shock me every day. They can't even provide Ukraine with enough shells.
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For real. The majority of the price difference isn't materials or workplace safety but privatized vs state enterprise. A sizeable chunk of the $5000 price difference is the cut that goes to the shareholders of General Dynamics. It's the same reason the Chinese J20 costs so much less than the F35 and had dramatically less production issues.
Russia only had a privatized defense industry from the early 1990s until in 2007 they decided privatization of certain industries was a mistake. They undid the privatization of their aerospace, defense, high tech manufacturing, and key heavy industries. It's taken almost a decade to repair the damage of privatization and rebuild capacity but we are now seeing the fruits of those efforts.
In Russia their 155mm artillery shells are currently manufactured by KBP Instrument Design Bureau, a wholey owned subsidiary of the Russia state owned Rostec holding corporation.
In the US all their 155mm artillery shells are manufactured at the US government owned Scranton Army Ammunition Plant, which is operated by the private sector defense contractor General Dynamics. That same facility used to be able to produce over a million 155mm field artillery shells per month back in the 1940s before modern factory automation and even today claims to have the ability to ramp back to that capacity (at a cost) with only a couple months notice. As part of the US propaganda blitz, BusinessInsider recently did a PR and tour video of the plant.
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Vijay Prashad told this in its very early stage. Russia has immense military power, west cannot defeat Russia obviously they can slow them down.
Nah you don't get it, that extra 3mm is actually the source of the cost since it's made out of solid gold, and obviously if it costs more it must be better. So it's actually very normal for an artillery round to cost that much.
Please ignore the fact that gold wouldn't even be close to that price because it ruins my joke.Russian military industrial complex is highly centralized and nationalized. We buy weapons from Russia regularly. Though Russian aircrafts need some work.
Huh, I thought those deals got kind of quietly rolled back, and India went on to produce homemade weapons? At least I think that was the case with assault rifles
We don't manufacture much and even if we do some its not a big scale production, we are buying newer weapons like S400 and we love BrahMos type missiles which was a joint venture between India and Russia (although it will be mostly Russia's contribution) .
I watched a video in which Medvedev told the private and public MIC managers of Russia that if they don't fulfill the quota of the government then they will face what Stalin did in 1941-45. I mean there were reports that high ranking executives of several companies were committing suicide in Russia by jumping out of the window.
Why do they always ignore labour cost in these topics lol.