So if I work at a supermarket stocking groceries all night, the value I am producing comes from the consumers ability to purchase it, as the final step in process? At what point does that labor become surplus and stolen from me? I think that is what I mean. You’re absolutely correct about the relationship between the proletariat and having to sell labor (power?) and your explanation helped clear other questions I had too so thank you for that comrade.
Yeah I know. I’m just getting into details I guess. If I make 13 and hour, then as soon as I put more than $13 worth of goods on the shelf within that hour, I am being exploited for my surplus labor. I was trying to figure out if my value comes from the $ value of the item I stock, or what my labor adds to that $ value.
Yeah I know I’m mixing up some of the points, it’s difficult to think some of this stuff through especially with how abstract things can be.
The price of a commodity at a store is reflected in the total amount of (necessary) labor to get it to that point on the shelf. The end being the customer buying said commodity. I might be trying to calculate to specifically the value someone like myself adds to a product, even though it is necessary labor to the extent it has not been automated, and the centralized distribution of a supermarket prevents people from needing to go to several locations to get their stuff.
Ohhhhhhhhhhh okay okay. That makes a lot more sense now. I was definitely looking too specifically rather can keeping it as more as abstract model like you said.
I was thinking that those values and equations can be used to specifically identify types of values being sold or what amount of surplus labor is being extracted. I really appreciate the replies
Right right. I just meant I was struggling to find where and what value is produced by them, and how they are necessary labor in the process.
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So if I work at a supermarket stocking groceries all night, the value I am producing comes from the consumers ability to purchase it, as the final step in process? At what point does that labor become surplus and stolen from me? I think that is what I mean. You’re absolutely correct about the relationship between the proletariat and having to sell labor (power?) and your explanation helped clear other questions I had too so thank you for that comrade.
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Yeah I know. I’m just getting into details I guess. If I make 13 and hour, then as soon as I put more than $13 worth of goods on the shelf within that hour, I am being exploited for my surplus labor. I was trying to figure out if my value comes from the $ value of the item I stock, or what my labor adds to that $ value.
I’m sorry I might be wording this very very badly
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Yeah I know I’m mixing up some of the points, it’s difficult to think some of this stuff through especially with how abstract things can be.
The price of a commodity at a store is reflected in the total amount of (necessary) labor to get it to that point on the shelf. The end being the customer buying said commodity. I might be trying to calculate to specifically the value someone like myself adds to a product, even though it is necessary labor to the extent it has not been automated, and the centralized distribution of a supermarket prevents people from needing to go to several locations to get their stuff.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh okay okay. That makes a lot more sense now. I was definitely looking too specifically rather can keeping it as more as abstract model like you said.
I was thinking that those values and equations can be used to specifically identify types of values being sold or what amount of surplus labor is being extracted. I really appreciate the replies