shitty take. bernie would have won easily had he not been screwed in the primary this cycle. the entirety of the reason that biden won was because "he's not trump." even centrists admit he's a fucking demented fossil and they only voted for him to spite donald trump.
the entirety of the reason that biden won was because “he’s not trump.” even centrists admit he’s a fucking demented fossil and they only voted for him to spite donald trump.
This is exactly my point! If Bernie would have run, those centrists would have said "well Trump is bad, but Bernie is just too much, I just don't know, it's all bad". Centrists also outnumber progressives, by a lot, remember that. People like progressive policies, in theory, but trusting a politician to do something is very different from voting for say, a tepid minimum wage increase (which does exactly what it says, period).
Bernie would have not picked up any extra votes compared to Biden, but he would have lost those centrist votes. How does fewer votes translate to a win?
i think that your conclusion that 'those centrists would have said "well trump is bad, but bernie is just too much" is the wrong conclusion considering the "vote blue no matter who" thing was shoved down everyone's throats two years before the election, and also doesn't take into account the youth vote, the spite vote that voted for trump because bernie got screwed, and even some trump voters who just hate corporate business as usual politicians but wouldn't be half as put off by bernie's populism.
the wrong conclusion considering the “vote blue no matter who” thing was shoved down everyone’s throats two years before the election
And if Bernie was the nominee, the messaging would have changed immediately. These people have no sense of shame or morals.
doesn’t take into account the youth vote
The youth vote is irrelevant, and all young people cucked for daddy Joe anyway.
, the spite vote that voted for trump because bernie got screwed, and even some trump voters who just hate corporate business as usual politicians but wouldn’t be half as put off by bernie’s populism.
All of those people are gone. They were a potential vote for Bernie 2016. In 2020, they are fully MAGA or QAnon, or at the very least, they are the people bitching about Covid lockdowns and such. They aren't there like they used to be, especially after the Bernie campaign got taken over by the AOC-crowd this time (those people are toxic to the mythical "disaffected non-voters"). The second that people shit on Bernie for going on the Joe Rogan show, it was obvious that his chances were zero.
shitty take. bernie would have won easily had he not been screwed in the primary this cycle. the entirety of the reason that biden won was because "he's not trump." even centrists admit he's a fucking demented fossil and they only voted for him to spite donald trump.
This is exactly my point! If Bernie would have run, those centrists would have said "well Trump is bad, but Bernie is just too much, I just don't know, it's all bad". Centrists also outnumber progressives, by a lot, remember that. People like progressive policies, in theory, but trusting a politician to do something is very different from voting for say, a tepid minimum wage increase (which does exactly what it says, period).
Bernie would have not picked up any extra votes compared to Biden, but he would have lost those centrist votes. How does fewer votes translate to a win?
i think that your conclusion that 'those centrists would have said "well trump is bad, but bernie is just too much" is the wrong conclusion considering the "vote blue no matter who" thing was shoved down everyone's throats two years before the election, and also doesn't take into account the youth vote, the spite vote that voted for trump because bernie got screwed, and even some trump voters who just hate corporate business as usual politicians but wouldn't be half as put off by bernie's populism.
And if Bernie was the nominee, the messaging would have changed immediately. These people have no sense of shame or morals.
The youth vote is irrelevant, and all young people cucked for daddy Joe anyway.
All of those people are gone. They were a potential vote for Bernie 2016. In 2020, they are fully MAGA or QAnon, or at the very least, they are the people bitching about Covid lockdowns and such. They aren't there like they used to be, especially after the Bernie campaign got taken over by the AOC-crowd this time (those people are toxic to the mythical "disaffected non-voters"). The second that people shit on Bernie for going on the Joe Rogan show, it was obvious that his chances were zero.
the only people that shat on bernie for going on joe rogan were idiot libs on reddit, where you spent way too much of your time.
And those people are a poison pill. How do you tell them to shut the fuck up? You can't because those "idiot libs" are the Leftist base!