I said your argument sounded like bourgeois capitalist arguments, not that it was the same exact argument. It's called a simile. Obviously capitalists use the argument to defend capitalism, not communism. Have you never encountered a capitalist using the argument that capitalism is good because it brings people out of poverty (a term defined by capitalists)?
For starters, the definition of poverty being used is $1.90 per day, which is obviously not a reasonable goal.
I'd also challenge the very idea of judging success based on measurements that are fundamentally at odds with anarchism, like how much money one has. Are people in Rojava materially better off than they were before Rojava? Yeah. Are people in Chiapas materially better off than they were before the Zapatistas? Yeah. The fact that China made people's lives materially better is the success, not raising them out of poverty.
Poverty is a definition based on a monetary system. Communism (and anarchism) hope for a moneyless future. I don't think using capitalist-defined measures like poverty is a good method for assessing the health and growth of non-capitalist societies.
Plus, it's just such a small amount of money. Personally, I'm fighting for much more lofty goals than $1.90 per day.
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Sorry, they haven't lasted long enough to be long-term, and they're not big enough to be large-scale.
I, too, can use meaningless filler terms with definitions only I know while insisting I'm arguing in good faith.
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You sound like Matthew Yglesias.
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It means your arguments sound like those made by bourgeois capitalists.
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I said your argument sounded like bourgeois capitalist arguments, not that it was the same exact argument. It's called a simile. Obviously capitalists use the argument to defend capitalism, not communism. Have you never encountered a capitalist using the argument that capitalism is good because it brings people out of poverty (a term defined by capitalists)?
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For starters, the definition of poverty being used is $1.90 per day, which is obviously not a reasonable goal.
I'd also challenge the very idea of judging success based on measurements that are fundamentally at odds with anarchism, like how much money one has. Are people in Rojava materially better off than they were before Rojava? Yeah. Are people in Chiapas materially better off than they were before the Zapatistas? Yeah. The fact that China made people's lives materially better is the success, not raising them out of poverty.
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Poverty is a definition based on a monetary system. Communism (and anarchism) hope for a moneyless future. I don't think using capitalist-defined measures like poverty is a good method for assessing the health and growth of non-capitalist societies.
Plus, it's just such a small amount of money. Personally, I'm fighting for much more lofty goals than $1.90 per day.