love how the Canadian parliament inadvertently exposed just how far into fascism neo-liberals are.
just a few days ago, if you wanted to find out how willing to defend Nazis liberals were, you'd have to do a lil searching. Now it's right in front of us, all the time, without stop.
"He's a hero, he fought against Russia"
"He's just a little old man, he can't be a Nazi!"
"So what if he was a Nazi? Communism was worse than anything the Nazis did"
"How dare you call me a Nazi for defending Nazis?! I'm not a Nazi, I just hate Russia"
What really really gets me is when the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is brought up, used to discredit and impart vileness on to the Soviet Union due to their association with Nazis (ignoring context, and other countries who made similar pacts earlier) and then the source of the awfulness, self-identifying (i.e. unambiguous) Nazis are pacified of negativity!
What? How do you use something to say something else is bad, then say that the something initially was actually not that bad! How does it not follow that the initial comparison and association at the very least be brought into question?
It's like Michael Hudson wrote his book about imperialism to show how bad it was and they used it as an instruction manual except Orwell's wasn't an accident.
(ignoring context, and other countries who made similar pacts earlier)
One of those they like to ignore is how British PM Neville Chamberlain negotiated to let Nazi Germany annex the Sudetenland, which happened like six months before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
The unfortunate part about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact being used by libs as a defence, is whenever it’s debunked the Libs come back full force talking about the dual-invasion of Poland, claiming the Soviets and Nazis worked together to destroy Poland.
I would like to point them that these baltics , the whole poland, finland were under Russian empire before WW1 . Lenin came and signed the Brest treaty which was sort of humiliation for Russia (even Trotsky was against it ). Finland was given independence , balts became vassals of Germany and the curzon line drawn after Poland was given independence was violated by Poland. Now it seems Red Army in 1920 violated some protocol to free Poland ,stalin negated this step (it was bolshevik poles who wanted a Bolshevik Poland it seems idk). In that war Poland took huge chunk of territory which is now western ukraine. In molotov pact, Stalin reversed this by gifting some fuel to hitler that's it and avoided a severe clash in 1939 after getting rejected by UK and French. So summing it up balts were not independent they were vassals of Germany . Stalin avoided a direct confrontation and 3rd and its a lie from balts and polish fascists governments that Hitler and Stalin both started WW2. That's a enormous lie.
love how the Canadian parliament inadvertently exposed just how far into fascism neo-liberals are.
just a few days ago, if you wanted to find out how willing to defend Nazis liberals were, you'd have to do a lil searching. Now it's right in front of us, all the time, without stop.
"He's a hero, he fought against Russia"
"He's just a little old man, he can't be a Nazi!"
"So what if he was a Nazi? Communism was worse than anything the Nazis did"
"How dare you call me a Nazi for defending Nazis?! I'm not a Nazi, I just hate Russia"
literally their evolution through this.
What really really gets me is when the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is brought up, used to discredit and impart vileness on to the Soviet Union due to their association with Nazis (ignoring context, and other countries who made similar pacts earlier) and then the source of the awfulness, self-identifying (i.e. unambiguous) Nazis are pacified of negativity!
What? How do you use something to say something else is bad, then say that the something initially was actually not that bad! How does it not follow that the initial comparison and association at the very least be brought into question?
"Doublethink"
Orwell was a shitty socialist, but he was completely on point with the terms he coined to describe thought manipulation and the effects of propaganda.
its because he worked hand in hand with the people doing this shit lol
1984 is a manual.
It's like Michael Hudson wrote his book about imperialism to show how bad it was and they used it as an instruction manual except Orwell's wasn't an accident.
One of those they like to ignore is how British PM Neville Chamberlain negotiated to let Nazi Germany annex the Sudetenland, which happened like six months before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
Negotiated to let Nazi Germany and Poland annex parts of Czechoslovakia.
Ah yeah, thanks, I don't actually know the details of the other pacts.
July 1933: Four Powers Pact
January 1934: Polish–German Declaration
June 1935: Anglo–German Naval Agreement
November 1936: Anti‐Comintern Pact
December 1938: Franco‐German Declaration
March 22, 1939: Memel treaty
March 24, 1939: German–Romanian Economic Treaty
May 22, 1939: Pact of Steel
May 31, 1939: Danish–German Nonaggression Pact
June 1939: Estonian–German and Latvian–German Nonaggression Pacts
September 1940: Tripartite Pact
June 1941: Treaty of Friendship between Germany and Turkey
thanks cde, 🫡
The unfortunate part about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact being used by libs as a defence, is whenever it’s debunked the Libs come back full force talking about the dual-invasion of Poland, claiming the Soviets and Nazis worked together to destroy Poland.
I like to bring up that the Soviets didn't invade Poland, they liberated the Polish-occupied parts of Ukraine, Belarus, and Lithuania.
I would like to point them that these baltics , the whole poland, finland were under Russian empire before WW1 . Lenin came and signed the Brest treaty which was sort of humiliation for Russia (even Trotsky was against it ). Finland was given independence , balts became vassals of Germany and the curzon line drawn after Poland was given independence was violated by Poland. Now it seems Red Army in 1920 violated some protocol to free Poland ,stalin negated this step (it was bolshevik poles who wanted a Bolshevik Poland it seems idk). In that war Poland took huge chunk of territory which is now western ukraine. In molotov pact, Stalin reversed this by gifting some fuel to hitler that's it and avoided a severe clash in 1939 after getting rejected by UK and French. So summing it up balts were not independent they were vassals of Germany . Stalin avoided a direct confrontation and 3rd and its a lie from balts and polish fascists governments that Hitler and Stalin both started WW2. That's a enormous lie.
"Yes, he is a nazi but the Soviet Union was worse"