I don't understand the support for Hamas among some on the leftist. Of course, I understand that Israel has oppressed the Palestinians for many years and there is no justification for this, but there is no need to justify the actions of religious fanatics who also kill civilians, especially since Israel itself has aggravated the problem with the Islamists

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Wanting Israel to stop doing apartheid isn't going to make israel stop doing apartheid. If Hamas is trying to stop Israel, then they get support. There are also Marxist brigades fighting alongside Hamas. If Palestinian Marxists see common cause with Hamas, then I support them and I do not presume I understand their conditions better than they themselves do.

      • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Only because Israel has spent a ton of time and resources targeting marxists in particular. This is a huge chance for the PFLP and DFLP to build support

      • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Marxists are almost universally unpopular everywhere except in a handful of countries (which few countries, incidentally, are almost universally hated by a big chunk of all the other countries).

    • Comrade Eshley @lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      It is very strange to go with those who are ready to kill communists, given that the Palestinian left was in conflict with Hamas

      • Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        The PLFP is a ML liberation group, and they have a relationship with Hamas that has fluctuated throughout the years, but I think you should hear from their leader about why they hold the positions they do

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Does it really seem strange to you to fight alongside other Palestinians against the occupying forces who have been oppressing them since 1947? The Israelis are just as anti-communist as any other western polity.

        • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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          1 year ago

          Remember that to some western 'radicals', the only good revolutionary is an unsuccessful one.

        • Comrade Eshley @lemmygrad.ml
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          1 year ago

          I would never go to war with those who kill civilians and put a spoke in the wheels of their people, whether there is a Palestinian Hamas, an Israeli, a Russian or a Ukrainian state, it doesn’t matter. All we can do is try to agitate people correct ideas

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            You don't live under the boot of military occupation. You presume moral superiority but for us on the outside this is nothing but mental masturbation. If the marxists fighting and dying for Palestinian liberation are willing to fight side by side with Hamas, I support them. Liberation isn't a TV show.

            • Black AOC@lemmygrad.ml
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              1 year ago

              If the marxists fighting and dying for Palestinian liberation are willing to fight side by side with Hamas, I support them. Liberation isn’t a TV show.

              Gospel. It's like what I say about China and the Panthers. If they were good enough for Bobby Seale, they're good enough for me; likewise, if Palestinian comrades are arm-in-arm with Hamas against their oppressor, if Hamas is good enough for the Palestinian comrades, then I've no reason to gainsay it.

          • comrade-bear@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 year ago

            So by your logic the Chinese communist forces should never joined forces with the KMT and both should have succumbed to the Japanese imperialist forces? When the enemy is that bad and that dangerous the luxury of picking allies is rarely afforded