I have seen many people in this community either talking about switching to Brave, or people who are actively using Brave. I would like to remind people that Brave browser (and by extension their search engine) is not privacy-centric whatsoever.

Brave was already ousted as spyware in the past and the company has made many decisions that are questionable at best. For example, Brave made a cryptocurrency which they then added to a rewards program that is built into the browser to encourage you to enable ads that are controlled by Brave.

After creating this cryptocurrency and rewards program, they started inserting affiliate codes into URL's. Prior to this they had faked fundraising for popular social media creators.

Do these decisions seem like ones a company that cares about their users (and by extension their privacy) would make? I'd say the answer is a very clear no.

One last thing, Brave illegally promoted an eToro affiliate program making a fortune from its users who will likely lose their money.

  • Katlah@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    hexagon
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    1 year ago

    For the comments, can anyone give me an actual reason to use Brave over Firefox (and it's forks)? I guess the cryptocurrency aspect is a reason, but I wouldn't say it's a very good one.

    • Maoo [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Brave has been hyped as a privacy browser despite having several major privacy failures baked into it repeatedly. It's 100% hype. You get the same level of privacy on paper by installing Chromium with an ad blocker and tweaking a couple settings. Firefox has better privacy defaults and is better with an ad blocker installed. Chromium has a slight edge on security (FF needs to really push tab isolation harder) but if privacy is your main concern I would always recommend FF.

    • Matomo@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      My guess is because Brave is a relatively known Chromium browser that's been degoogled. Along with built in ad and tracker blocking, and it's an easy less evil of the two.

      I want to like Firefox, both as normal user and as web developer, but something about it keeps bugging me. The UI feels sluggish, sites seem to be slightly less performant, and I can't seem to get used to it.

      That said, I've started using Vivaldi, and while it can be considered bloated, I really like the tab options it has, while also offering a degoogled chromium that's being kept to date.

      • AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        Because all the web devs optimize for chrome because they dominate the market. If more people use Firefox then devs will start to care about performance in it

        (You're a dev so I assume you know this. This comment is mainly for other people)

        • Matomo@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          I'm not sure what it is. I suppose this is the case for the heavier web-applications, but the average website (which is where my expertise is, not actual applications) also feels slightly worse on FF. And as far as I know, I don't use any chrome-specific tricks or optimizations.

    • Overboard8171@startrek.website
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      1 year ago

      Defaults. Install Brave and you're done. Site doesn't work? Report non-working site. Wanna support creators? Top up your Brave Wallet or turn on Brave ads.

      I've a limited budget and limited time to tip websites. I ain't gonna tip manually every other rando on the internet. Brave takes care of that. Small amounts, yes, but better than just ad-blocking [yes, website owners have to opt-in to it].

      Completely uninformed take follows: Also, Mozilla seems to be trying to ramp up their ads department -- search for Mozilla Ads. And no-one gonna convert because they already have Google Adsense.

      TL;DR: Firefox is faster but using recommended tools like uBlock Origin leaves websites without income.

    • Firipu@startrek.website
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      1 year ago

      I don't use brave, but I use Vivaldi.

      The main reason for me is native mouse gestures. They are so much better than addon mouse gestures.

      And speed dials. Addon ones are okayish, but I prefer the Vivaldi implementation.

      If Firefox would ever ass native mouse gestures, I would swap in an instant. Until then, no can do :(

      • Katlah@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        hexagon
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        1 year ago

        Personally I can't say anything about Vivaldi, but it's proprietary and owned by people who used to work for Opera.

        • Firipu@startrek.website
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          1 year ago
          • Proprietary, yes, from a Foss pov it's not good I guess

          • Owned by ex opera ppl: that's a good thing tbh. Old opera was fantastic. New opera is more fishy after they were acquired by a Chinese group.

          There is a lot of browser love in Vivaldi tbh. They are very open and transparent. Haven't found a single red flag about Vivaldi (aside from not being FOSS, which for me isn't a red flag per se)

          They even run their own Mastodon servers for their community ;)

          • Katlah@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            hexagon
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            1 year ago

            Proprietary software is generally frowned upon in this community, however I personally don't mind that much.

    • HughJanus@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Firefox is actually NOT a private browser. I don't know where it gets this reputation because clearly those people haven't read their privacy policy where it plainly states that they gather and sell your info to a data mining company.

      For better or worse, Chromium browsers work better because the vast majority of people use Chromium so that's how people build their sites.

      Brave has tons of privacy features and settings. Including built-in ad-blocking just like uBlock so your extensions can't be used to fingerprint you.

      If you want a private browser and insist on but using Chromium there are dozens of Firefox forks that are much better for privacy.

      If the (supposedly) privacy preserving ads and crypto really upset you, you can simply turn them off.

        • HughJanus@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          There's really not a difference. At the end of the day you need a browser so a reason not to use one is not terribly different from a reason TO use another. And the one that constantly gets recommended in these communities is Firefox, which is not as bad as Chrome but still worse than just about any privacy-preserving browser out there.

          • Katlah@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            hexagon
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            1 year ago

            Most people recommend forks of Firefox, or Firefox with modifications to make it more privacy-centric. I don't think anyone recommends stock Firefox (it's spyware).

              • Katlah@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                hexagon
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                1 year ago

                I've seen countless instances in this post alone of people recommending Firefox and its forks. Are we talking about the same place?

    • Engywuck@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      I don't want to support Mozilla, for a lot of reason I don't have the time or the will to discuss here. Is that enough for you? It is for me.

    • Gogo Sempai@programming.dev
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      1 year ago

      On iOS, unlike Android, Firefox doesn't come with extensions. No ads are blocked. Even if I use Safari and Adguard extension, it doesn't block YouTube ads. Brave works like a charm in this regard. I've opted out of all telemetry stuff that I could find, and btw even Firefox opts into everything by default. Any other open source browser you can suggest that blocks ads including YouTube on iOS?

      • Katlah@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        hexagon
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        1 year ago

        On iOS use Orion Browser by Kagi. As for blocking ads in YouTube, you can use AltStore to sideload a YouTube app with sponsorblock and ad block built in.

        (Orion might block YouTube ads, I haven't tested it)

        • heavyboots@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          Yeah I reread your question after I posted and realized you were asking something different. Tried to delete it before anyone read it but oops… 😬