Speaking as a person of Latino heritage, with a bit of Indigenous blood, I'd rather limit civilian casualties to a minimum. I agree with your overall sentiment, that civilians aren't innocent in settler-colonial projects, and are part of the problem, and play an unfortunate part in colonialist violence against oppressed peoples, and I wouldn't tell oppressed peoples how to wage armed resistance if they are achieving good results.
I'm just saying that as much as I hate many bourgeois Amerikkkrakers, I wouldn't want them to be killed unless absolutely necessary. Though the fog of conflict often breeds confusion and tragedy.
I agree with this. I'm not advocating killing anyone without reason. I was just making the general point about their not really being innocence in settler colonial projects
Thank you, I'm glad you agree. I understand/hope that most of us are just meme-ing when we say that crakkkers aren't innocent, which while very true, sometimes I get a little uncomfortable that some people might use this as an excuse to attack or shoot random white people for no reason and claim its colonial resistance.
I'm no expert in USA colonial history, but just because your state deports you in a new land because of your criminal past actions, or because you were born from the wrong vagina shouldn't get you killed. Why kill settlers when you can go for the root of the problem, the state and the economic forces which are making it in a monster? We colonialize because of capitalism, and forces which just don't care for human right. I think that in a conscious and a actual, non-tainted by capitalism, and people-led governament, this shit wouldn't happen. The Israeli gov. chooses to handle the situation in a violent way, and it tries to radicalize the conflict; not the people, people just want to live. We can't talk of democracy today because we're just so far off from the people's desire.
Why kill settlers when you can go for the root of the problem,
well the settlers are in my house and won't leave, for one.
i'm sure if hamas thought targeted assassinations of prominent ideological zionists was possible and practical they'd do that instead. they're not stupid.
The point i was making is that there is no innocence in a settler colonial project. Like in the image above, the settlers aren't innocent just because they aren't wearing a uniform. Settlers encroachment leads to deaths of "civilian" indigenous peoples too. And of course, the settlements could only exist because "civilian" indigenous people were killed and driven off to make way for them.
I get what you're saying about real democracy for the people not existing under capitalism, and that capitalism is the root cause of all this. No arguement there. And to be fair i understand the sentiment of not wanting people to get killed. I don't want people to get killed either.
The way i see it though when it comes to de-colonialization efforts is that indigenous peoples "didn't choose armed struggle as the best path. Its the path oppressors imposed on people." - Fidel Castro
Just about every Israeli citizen has been given military training and has been in the IDF at some point. With this knowledge, how in the world should Hamas and the Palestinian people view the Israeli citizenry. They have all directly participated in the apartheid state or are prepared to.
This is not me making a moral judgement. But any rational person that attempts for one second to see this conflict from the point of view of Palestine should come to the same conclusion? How are Palestinians who have been caged for almost two decades and driven to the point of war via desperation supposed to make the distinction between pacifists and dormant soldiers?
There are no civilians in a settler colonial project.
Speaking as a person of Latino heritage, with a bit of Indigenous blood, I'd rather limit civilian casualties to a minimum. I agree with your overall sentiment, that civilians aren't innocent in settler-colonial projects, and are part of the problem, and play an unfortunate part in colonialist violence against oppressed peoples, and I wouldn't tell oppressed peoples how to wage armed resistance if they are achieving good results.
I'm just saying that as much as I hate many bourgeois Amerikkkrakers, I wouldn't want them to be killed unless absolutely necessary. Though the fog of conflict often breeds confusion and tragedy.
I agree with this. I'm not advocating killing anyone without reason. I was just making the general point about their not really being innocence in settler colonial projects
Thank you, I'm glad you agree. I understand/hope that most of us are just meme-ing when we say that crakkkers aren't innocent, which while very true, sometimes I get a little uncomfortable that some people might use this as an excuse to attack or shoot random white people for no reason and claim its colonial resistance.
I'm no expert in USA colonial history, but just because your state deports you in a new land because of your criminal past actions, or because you were born from the wrong vagina shouldn't get you killed. Why kill settlers when you can go for the root of the problem, the state and the economic forces which are making it in a monster? We colonialize because of capitalism, and forces which just don't care for human right. I think that in a conscious and a actual, non-tainted by capitalism, and people-led governament, this shit wouldn't happen. The Israeli gov. chooses to handle the situation in a violent way, and it tries to radicalize the conflict; not the people, people just want to live. We can't talk of democracy today because we're just so far off from the people's desire.
well the settlers are in my house and won't leave, for one.
i'm sure if hamas thought targeted assassinations of prominent ideological zionists was possible and practical they'd do that instead. they're not stupid.
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but you see they have to do everything right or I can't support them
The point i was making is that there is no innocence in a settler colonial project. Like in the image above, the settlers aren't innocent just because they aren't wearing a uniform. Settlers encroachment leads to deaths of "civilian" indigenous peoples too. And of course, the settlements could only exist because "civilian" indigenous people were killed and driven off to make way for them.
I get what you're saying about real democracy for the people not existing under capitalism, and that capitalism is the root cause of all this. No arguement there. And to be fair i understand the sentiment of not wanting people to get killed. I don't want people to get killed either.
The way i see it though when it comes to de-colonialization efforts is that indigenous peoples "didn't choose armed struggle as the best path. Its the path oppressors imposed on people." - Fidel Castro
Just about every Israeli citizen has been given military training and has been in the IDF at some point. With this knowledge, how in the world should Hamas and the Palestinian people view the Israeli citizenry. They have all directly participated in the apartheid state or are prepared to.
This is not me making a moral judgement. But any rational person that attempts for one second to see this conflict from the point of view of Palestine should come to the same conclusion? How are Palestinians who have been caged for almost two decades and driven to the point of war via desperation supposed to make the distinction between pacifists and dormant soldiers?