I propose that we gather together historical facts and engage in 'friendly' (you don't have to be friendly but remember that ultimately this is a bit about shitting on awful awful people) debate to decide who was the worst President in the history of the United States of America.

  • EldritchMayo [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    True, and that also doesn’t factor in Hoover’s deliberate non intervention in the Great Depression for 2 years and his deportation of up to 2 million Mexicans, many of whom were American citizens, which is pretty much ethnic cleansing

    • Melon [she/her,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah his presidency has too much shit to dive into, but I hope my comment at least illustrates how conservatives aren't embarrassed as hell over naming things like the "Hoover Institute."

      • EldritchMayo [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Good point. I am not sure if he is completely comparable to Carter though. Hoover did objectively horrible things as a president and did some good and bad as a non president. Carter had some bad things out of his control happen that were resolved later (hostage crisis), and did some good and bad things as a president, but as a non president is a really upstanding person. I hate to sound like a lib but the man retired onto his modest peanut farm where he gave away most of his money and lived frugally since, I have never heard of billionaires or other such people willingly giving up that lifestyle for their lives. So Carter definitely wins out in both categories.

        • Melon [she/her,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          There's one billionaire, Chuck Feeney, who fairly recently managed to give away almost his entire fortune. He didn't turn it into a marketing/media circus like Bill Gate's masturbatory nonsense. Feeney primarily focused on giving to first world educational and health institutions so it certainly wasn't anything radical, but he managed to peacefully and quietly remove one billionaire from the world.

          Pretty sure leftists here mostly hate Carter over standing by during the East Timor genocide rather than being a poor negotiator during the Iranian hostage crisis.