This and war in Ukraine have made me realize how exactly the holocaust happened. When I was little I was always so confused as to how something so horrible could’ve happened, but history is repeating itself and it’s not so surprising anymore.
What I am still shocked about is how so many people, seemingly good people, become blood thirsty so goddamn fast but it does prove how the holocaust came to be, and the fact that nobody can see how it’s happening again is truly astonishing.
Ukraine and Israel dropped a big cinderblock on the gas pedal of the car named "Liberal racism". I don't think I could imagine liberals getting this overtly racist this quickly just two years ago
As an immigrant, I've been experiencing libs being racist/xenophobic for a very long time. It's always been there and very open. Western libs may hide racism or genuinely not be racist towards black people, but, at least in Europe, they're hyper open about their hatred towards brown and Slavic people, with harassment towards Asian minorities as well, at least Chinese.
I may be a pessimist, but I honestly think socialism does in fact have a chance
I agree, the way I see it everyone now is just being honest about who they are so at least the sides are clear. Ever since the Ukraine conflict, it's been clear that western libs won't ever see certain people as equal and human.
Libs should thank the Palestinians, they don't have to fight the urge to be racist anymore. They can just call them vermin in polite society now.
My hope is mainly that while the west is hurtling towards mania the west is also actively mismanaged and having its influence decline.
China are the rising power and they seem a calming influence
Yep, that's it. And when the west devolves into fascism, it's up to its people to fight it.
I'm not convinced that they won't just kill us for trying. As lenin pointed out in state and revolution the revolutionary potential of a country is hampered by state security forces and the west has a lot of that and a lot of surveilance.
The Bolsheviks did it where it was literally illegal and there were constant gendarme raids. We’ve got a shot, the western left’s just in pitiful disarray on average right now. We have it easier in many ways we just have to be strategic and build dual power. The Palestinians avoided mossad intelligence we can do similar here.
The Russian state was under strain from their use of feudalism, WW1 and the famines. It was a different situation
It is important to consider what you are up against. The western left's disarray is also linked to CIA funding to our more contentious tendencies as well
Oh, they will, no doubt. But I'm in it for the long haul at this point. No turning back.
Sure. They've got one of the most advanced and powerful military and surveillance states to ever exist. But that does not mean they are invincible. To me it is not a matter of if we can take them down once we have the organization. That seems quite likely. To me the hard part is if we can get that organization in the first place, given our less than empathetic, less than determined, less than intelligent population. Not to dehumanize, just saying, lots of Americans are clearly really dumb.
We're very close to that fascism we speak of being applied broadly to every working class citizen and not just the minorities as it is now. That means it's time to get to work, and to be prepared for a very bumpy, painful, and potentially liberating ride.
I know we can do this.
Gonna be honest, I myself feel super unprepared physically speaking.
Classical track of: their leadership and military is evil -> hate government not the people -> atrocity propaganda -> they all support their evil leaders -> dehumanisation -> kill them all
In case of Ukraine war they went from zero to Hitler in like 3 months, now they did it in 3 days.
The issue is, they're not honest about who they are. Libs genuinely think they're the good guys, saviour of the "uncivilized" and the shit. Anarcho-Bidenists root for NATO, while people in pursuit of tangible socialism get demonized, villified and spewn misinformation about, apart from potentially having the gov watching you and willing to remove you from the society, if they deem you a threat. I think a way forward will be a multipolar world and socialists will have to move to socialist nations to strenghten them rather than funding fascism by paying taxes under fascist governments. To me it's blatantly clear socialists are a tiny minority outside of socialist nations. You won't save your nation. Mind you, I'm hyper biased because I'm a life-long immigrant with ancestry of immigrants, so I'm as non-nationalistic as it goes.
I disagree, I’m not against people moving to AES and most of Europe is a lost cause, but I think we have a shot in winning (indigenous/new Afrikan) socialist territory in the land occupied by the US once the empire falls. I don’t see what good going to AES does, they’re fine without us. As socialists our duty is to fight for socialism in our own country. Of course, if you’re in danger I respect leaving. But how do you expect the world to become socialist if people in non-socialist states don’t fight?
I don't have any "my own country" so I assume that's a main point of conflict of view, therefore will not continue this line.
I no longer expect the world to become socialist, I hope for the world to become stably multipolar. I don't think seeking absolutism has any benefit. I'd rather strenghten actual socialist countries rather than continue funding hopeless fascist states by my work and paid taxes.
Of course, I cannot speak for any African country. My experience is completely EU+UK centric, pardon me. If you live in a country with a realistic hope for socialism, my perspective (to me) obviously doesn't apply. But EU and UK are fucked, from my personal experience, and based on what people from US, Canada and Australia are saying, those are beyond saving as well.
Communism can only be global and it will eventually. Obviously not in my lifetime, but I expect to see a lot of socialist revolutions and progress. Australia, US, and Klanada are largely fucked, but they will be in chaos after the fall of the empire is made obvious to even the apolitical. I think there’s a prospect of a decent bit of landback in North America considering the size of the oppressed nations and increasing radicalization of the youth. Some parts will probably still be fascist strongholds, but all hope is not lost.
Unless most of the world is socialist we have no hope of combating climate change and other environmental crises. If there’s no hope then we are accepting the [near] extinction of humanity, and why live with that. Things are not settled in the future. We must remember to have “pessimism of the mind, optimism of the will” (Gramci), and that “pessimism is an emotion not a philosophy” (immortal technique).
Same, I am an immigrant from a sort of nomadic family granted I came here (the US) at an early age but I just see this nation and other western ones doubling down on imperialism as that's the only way their economy functions. I.e. Subjugating someone, paying one family that owns a coffee plantation 5 cents a kilogram for coffee produced by slave labor and selling it for 20 bucks here. That's how they extract value. It's not by making anything.
They don't mind seeing swastikas if their proxies have them, they don't mind islamists if they are their proxies. They will never side with the oppressed.
Furthermore, they actively enjoy the fruits of creating new oppressed groups and continuing the oppression of the existing ones, but they like to call them the "Nordic model".
Yep, even the "leftist" squad (AOC, Bernie, etc) just wants to cheer on imperialism in exchange for healthcare and they forgot to even get that in the end. What a joke.
Here’s some info from OP:
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I couldn’t find any video footage but if I do I’ll be sure to link it.
Someone on Twitter linked this (time stamp 32:00) Morning Joe segment, I don’t know if it’s the exact moment OP was talking about as they have yet to confirm.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Those in the screenshot are comrades. I’ve seen people censor and not censor so I kind of gamble whether I do or don’t. In this case I blocked their names and pictures out because they’re comrades. If it’s chill for me to post uncensored then I will.
I'd keep them censored. They're openly speaking in public already but advertising their names on a platform they didn't choose to speak on will open them to vitriol from a wider audience than they might expect.
If you post on Hexbear’s Dunk Tank, it’s required to not censor.
I censor if I respect the person otherwise if it weren’t for a bad take or in the case there is no publicly accessible link to the post for dunking.
If the takes aren’t bad, I would see no reason to not censor though because we would be supporting it…?
It’s a more grey area, and opens the site up to liability problems. It’s best not to risk it, it’s a simple easy fix and we don’t lose much by not knowing their names.
First off: OP of course can do what they want with their screenshots. And I understand if the poster is in fact someone OP knows and not wanting to so easily lead people back to their own twitter presence. But let's not censor ourselves needlessly based off fears that have no basis in reality.
However, it's a pretty white area. There is no meaningful legal liability from reposting publicly available, consensually posted content that has no copyright and iron-clad fair-use arguments for the purpose of comment, parody, educational use, etc. Effectively zero risk anywhere in the west to screenshot and comment on something posted publicly online (outside of stuff that breaks national security laws, grave intellectual property violations (think posting the coco-cola secret recipe level stuff), and child sexual abuse imagery) as it's widely understood posting online in public is doing so in an open forum and inviting this kind of response. It's only if the commenting, opinions, sentiment, speech itself violates the law that you have a problem and then it has nothing to do with not censoring or anonymizing names.
Once you've accepted the risk of non-pre-screened user-submitted content such as pictures, text, you're already putting yourself in as hot of water as you end up in by allowing usernames to be present. I mean lots of reddit subs and other places used to straight up drop doxx posts on people connecting their online identities together and back to their real life ones, I saw a few on cth back in the day about prolific annoyances and I never heard of anyone dragged into court over that.
The key to avoiding liability is timely good faith removal of potentially infringing content upon receiving a valid legal request. It's only persistent, flagrant, heavily repeated, demonstrably willful violations over long periods of time that have in the past successfully created liability. The biggest examples of successful online lawsuits I can think of include the gawker one which had to do with spreading revenge porn essentially and continually harassing a guy and not backing down when asked. There were numerous off-ramps that if gawker had backed down earlier they would have survived even a high-powered lawsuit like that. You really cannot get got for this stuff without being warned and ignoring the warnings.
I mean half of social media is reposting content you don't own from others. We live in a society where random jerks with a camera can go around in public, get up in people's faces with a camera, insult them, antagonize them, harass the shit out of them for views and clicks and there's little that can be done with someone doing that for antagonism under the guise of "social experiment" while harassing and plastering someone's face and name all over. I mean if this were a legal issue the web would look a lot different.
Now, you can potentially, hypothetically get in hot water if people on your website organize harassment and break laws to do so but that has nothing to do with showing usernames and importantly pretty much has to be a continued pattern of harassment and inaction after repeated notice. If people are saying "PM me for their info" and you're allowing it as people talk about harassment, bomb threats, whatever, then you could be in trouble censored names or no. But just showing something someone else voluntarily posted to a public space online? Nah. And we don't I think have a problem with users here harassing people to my knowledge even in an internet bullying way (correct me if I'm wrong of course). So the solution is not allowing a culture where people accept that, fostering one where people cry fed-posting and report such things before they can go anywhere and be used as evidence of anything.
I'd be far more worried about the potential for all the "in minecraft" comments that I sometimes see than anything near this. Like the Palestinian situation has people heated and I've seen some stuff that really makes me worry for the person posting it because of the heat they could bring on themselves.
Now if the people in the screenshots were breaking laws or in danger from the security state by spreading around what they'd been exposing or saying, or if their words could be construed as slander, there's an argument there. It doesn't apply here but there is one. That said, doing that won't protect most people who break serious laws, they need good opsec in the first place.
Posting while at work is the only (marginally more) ethical form of posting
What are you talking about? Posting is my job. Xi mostly pays for dunks and spreading propaganda but I can usually pad my numbers out with some other things and they don't notice and pay just the same.
Part of it is to create and push a code of morality on your populace, then control the narrative so that way your side is always doing what's morally good, and the enemy is doing whatever is morally bad. That's why media control is so tight. Not just news, but every facet of entertainment reinforces our prescribed education of an artificial worldview. I could write a book on the anticommunist indoctrination put into children and family shows, and then those demographics start learning from one-sided history books, and then they're exposed to biased news and propagandic documentaries. And that's just the "neutral" liberal shit that's considered progressive or inclusive, enlightened, pacifist, etc. When you get into the hardcore shit like conservative media, military propaganda video games, etc., it's even more apparent.
I found the mask off racism with the Russia thing a shock, but I was expecting it with Palestine. I grew up with this shit during the Iraq War and War on Terror. I thought we'd learned, but the anti-China shit was obnoxious. Then with Russia. Then Iran. By the time it's gotten back to Palestine, I've come to realize that it's never about a specific group being targeted. It's about ensuring a specific group stays dominant, and cutting any others who dare oppose them down. They all pretend to care about human rights until the oppressed fight back, then they only care about colonizers and tyrants.
Still waiting on a clip.
Not saying the MSNBC pundits would push back on someone saying that, but even in 2003, the lib media was smart enough not to say the quiet part out loud (except for Ann Coulter and the like)
Damn those are some POS. Not even “both sides bad” anymore, just “israel =totally innocent Hamas = literally evil”
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I think that's only vaguely similar to what is in the OP. She starts her statement with "I want to emphasize what he said before", was there another version of this statement from the other person?
I probably should’ve specified that I got that link from someone on Twitter who went looking for the clip OP was talking about, so I put it here as it’s the only video I’ve seen so far that might reference what OP said. I’ll have to keep looking.
So many people must be excited that they finally have carte blanche to level Gaza and accelerate their ethnostate project
