• flan [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Israel does seem to have a track record of bombing hospitals, though...

      • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        I don't doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what's actually happening.

        • flan [they/them]
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          1 year ago

          Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will.

          • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held.

        • NuraShiny [any]
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          1 year ago

          How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here?

          Fucking pointless.

          • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it.

            • NuraShiny [any]
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              1 year ago

              well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them?

    • Nakoichi [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Yes we're biased. And so are you, and literally everyone else.

      • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully.

        So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that.

        • Nakoichi [they/them]
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          1 year ago

          How about the PFLP?

          Are they religious extremists too?

          And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer.

          • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise.

            And what indiscriminate slaughter?

            Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example.

            Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them.

            • Nakoichi [they/them]
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              1 year ago

              That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you.

              • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do?

                • Nakoichi [they/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever.