• booty [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Sending guns to Ukraine to keep this awful war going longer doesn't help anyone defend anyone.

    • Mr. Satan@monyet.cc
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      1 year ago

      Yes, but also yes. It does prolong the war, but it also helps to save civilians and push back against an aggressor.

      • notceps [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        How does it help? Explain to me how supporting Ukraine a country that at this point now just forcibly conscripts anyone helps civilians. Have you talked to any Ukrainian women that had to flee from this conflict and that they haven't hear anything about their husbands brothers and fathers? Were those people not civilians? Or are Ukrainian lives just not a thing? I guess it helps if Ukraine has less and less actual civilians because more and more have to get drafted into the army so some assholes can send another thousand poor people to walk across a minefield to get blown up after all if they are in the army they are no longer civilians.

        You know who it does help? US military contractors. Ukraine has received 76.8bn USD in 2022 from the USA this isn't counting various loans that I'm sure aren't going to be used against Ukraine to force them to privatize everything and enforce austerity policies. EU countries sent double that 140bn USD

        This is in one year from one country, we could end world hunger with a yearly investment of 23bn USD to 40bn USD, this would actually undeniably help save civilians, in fact it would save at least three times as much because the population of ukraine is something under 50mil while the population currently suffering from severe hunger is 150mil.

        The only reason why you've been told that this saves civilians and not you know anything else is because again selling weapons is big business and the only way governments can spend money now I guess, so yes lets save those civilians by forcing them at gunpoint to go walk into a minefield so more and more and more and more and more blood can be fed into this another horrifiyng war to fight over imaginary lines because USA liberty guns or whatever wants their stock to go up.

        If you truly believe in this shit, I think this is more of an online cheerleading thing for you, you should join up and fight the aggressor and prevent putin from doing a genocide or whatever.

        • el_bhm@lemm.ee
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          1 year ago

          Yes, and remember that Russia will absolutely not invade another country.

          • m532@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 year ago

            Projection. Always Projection. The western mouthfrothers can only imagine western crimes and then they project that onto nonwesterners. Pathetic losers.

            • el_bhm@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              Georgia

              Armenia

              Finland

              Lithuania

              Chechnia

              Afghanistan

              Ukraine

              China

              Poland 3 times in less than 25 years.

              Thats last 120 years. So what projection?

              • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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                1 year ago

                Firstly you are conflating Russia and the USSR. Secondly, just saying names of countries without context amounts to nothing more than a gish gallop. But let's go through point by point:

                Georgia

                Even a EU commission tasked with investigating the 2008 conflict admitted it was started by Georgia and its US puppet government who attacked and started shelling South Ossetia.

                Armenia

                What? Wtf are you even talking about? Russia has consistently protected Armenia and put its own peacekeepers' lives on the line to aid the Armenian people. Are you confusing Russia with Azerbaijan/Turkey?

                Finland

                Nazi ally who went on to participate in the Siege of Leningrad that killed over a million people. Encouraged by the British to reject any and all negotiations with the Soviets that could have averted the Winter War.

                Lithuania

                Again: what? Are you just pulling random country names out of your ass?

                Chechnia

                Not a country. Part of Russia. Russia had every right to subdue US backed terrorist separatists.

                Afghanistan

                The USSR was explicitly asked by the government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, a Soviet ally and the legitimate government of Afghanistan at the time, to intervene and help them fight the US backed islamist terrorist insurgency.

                Ukraine

                Russia intervened in an ongoing civil war that had been raging for eight years following a fascist, US backed coup that ousted the democratically elected president. This after every attempt at negotiating a diplomatic solution was rejected by the Kiev regime and its US masters.

                Russia acted according to international law and accepted the defensive request of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics which were and still are under attack by Kiev regime forces.

                China

                Wtf are kind of drugs are you on? We're talking about real history here not alternate reality fantasies.

                Poland 3 times

                Poland invaded the territories of Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania right after WWI while the newly established Soviet Republics were still embroiled in the Russian civil war against the Whites and expeditionary forces of a dozen imperialist nations who invaded Russia to restore the Tsar's tyranny.

                The Soviet forces fought back but due to being stretched thin Poland managed to steal parts of Ukraine and Belarus in violation of the borders set for Poland after WWI.

                When the Nazis invaded Poland and the Polish government fled into exile the Polish state ceased to exist. The USSR stepped in to protect the territories of "Eastern Poland" aka the stolen Ukrainian and Byelorussian lands from also being overrun by Nazis.

                In doing this they saved millions of people and provided safe haven for countless Jews who would undoubtedly have faced extermination otherwise. The Soviets didn't even fight against Polish forces and no one in the international community at the time recognized this as an invasion.

                As for a third time, do you mean to say that the Red Army's liberation of Poland from Nazi occupation was a "Russian invasion"? Are you pro-Nazi?

        • Mr. Satan@monyet.cc
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          1 year ago

          Oh I don't know, maybe because the same exact thing happened with Crimea. All out war didn't start, but peope died, homes were destroyed and Russia became a little bigger.

          • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            I'm gonna ask again: Why the fuck was Obomba and his shriveled sentient fleshlight Joe Bellend in Ukraine?

            Spoiler: Crimea took place after the fact.

    • el_bhm@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Russia will of course stop out of goodness of their little hearts.

      They will not follow up to Poland and Baltics.

      • booty [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Ukraine either loses, or they keep fighting and a whole lot more people die and then they lose. Which is better?

          • booty [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            That clearly isn't happening, so Ukrainians have two choices, which is better?

              • 🏳️‍⚧️ 新星 [she/they]@lemmygrad.ml
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                1 year ago

                Gone with the Minsk agreements, which Merkel admitted was just to buy time to arm Ukraine

                Russia offered multiple chances for peace, but NATO engaged in bad faith.

                Surely you’ve heard of this saying: “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” Why would Russia let themselves get fooled a third time? That’s just stupidity.