The kind of consumer-brained chuds that whine about "virtue signaling" vegans seem to consume a lot of meat as their own performative virtue signaling to each other.
I love all those ghouls doing "manly" things that they, for the most part, very clearly hate doing. Smoking giant cigars, drinking super intense Scotch, eating huge and unappetizing chunks of meat--whatever. It's all very funny because most of the time they're obviously just barely choking whatever it is down while screaming "does this bother you Rachel Maddow?! Are you triggered, college students?!" It's pretty obvious that it bothers them more than it bothers anyone else.
Uh i think they actually do like it. I know i do. Scotch and meat are both delicious. Not into cigars though.
Trying to say they don’t actually like it is just cope. Of course they do. The ones who try to use it as some political anti-woke virtue signaling are the most demented of them, but they still like the taste of the stuff etc.
You can have a problem with them and also acknowledge that they like what they are doing at the same time. You undermine your argument by creating straw men in your mind to get mad at.
You undermine your argument by creating straw men in your mind to get mad at.
Your posts all throughout this thread accusing other people of being "too online" because they're not nodding sagely at your wisdom of the yumminess of delicious le steak as the only possible motivation for behavior
There's also a lot of hormones in meat, maybe more in red meats idk. There's also lots of added growth hormones and such in dairy and meat to increase production.
I think there might be argument that carnist weirdos are actually doing some form of hormone therapy accidentally. 🤔
I've also heard that high meat consumption can potentially increase aggressive behaviors. I'd imagine the hormones are involved in that.
The assholes want to be praised for their reasonable nonpolitical "ironic" gestures against those (ableist slurs here) that made the mistake of caring too much.
Caring that much about the ideal of not caring is pretty common among assholes.
Pretty sure unless they are hyper online weirdos they are completely unaware of how angry you are at them. They are like having business dinners and eating steaks and burgers and shit and have kids probably. They probably watch sports.
they are completely unaware of how angry you are at them
You seem particularly worked up about some specific internet people in this thread, right now. If I am not mistaken you are significantly emotionally invested in this one issue at the moment and you do seem angry about it for unclear defensive reasons.
Besides, where does rolling coal work into your "le steak and le whiskey taste good stop talking about it STOP TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW" thesis?
You're signaling your virtue of not caring, even now, and are apparently signaling your virtue of not caring about others "fucking loving steak" over and over again in this thread. You want other people here to stop caring because they're caring more than you're permitting them to care.
Nope. Wrong. I care. I also think steak tastes good. Those are not mutually exclusive positions actually.
It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself that steak does not taste good and anyone who says it does must be lying so that you don’t get tempted by it. Whatever you need to do for yourself is fine, but to publicly say you think such obviously false things just makes your arguments (which i agree with, i used to be vegan for years) look worse.
But anyway, not really worth continuing this conversation if you can’t see how it looks like you are just trying to convince yourself that beef tastes bad by saying that there is no way anyone actually thinks it tastes good and that they are just eating it to virtue signal anti-wokeness. People ate meat before wokeness was a thing, people around the world east it because they like it and it tastes good to most people. Start there.
Uh actually they just like that shit and don’t care about anyone’s criticism
So the difference between you and chuds on this issue is that you do care about the criticism and are being very online about what you perceive as everyone else being very online and are replying in this thread like a machine gun and flailing at everyone else for being "too online" because they're not nodding sagely at your "le steak is delicious DONT LOOK INTO IT STOP RIGHT NOW" posting.
You seem to have some serious emotional investment in this specific issue if you've been flinging insults at me three times over in the span of a few minutes.
And what are you doing besides name calling and calling people losers because they're arbitrarily too online if you disagree with them on some specific consumer product you have emotional investment in?
Rolling coal is being an asshole on purpose, and i would bet the same percentage of idiots do that as think they are owning the libs by eating steak every day. Less than 1%. The stat is about the 12% who eat most of the beef, most of those people are not trying to do anything performative or political.
The internet is skewing your understanding of the prevalence of these things, and it’s embarrassing to see people on here create straw men arguments about all the beef eating being performative, thinking they’re making a great dunk when they’re just totally wrong.
And you're the enlightened detached very offline authority of who is too online and who is not, and you apparently draw that boundary with "le steak is le delicious STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW" rage posting.
Is this some leftover fallout from that vegan struggle session that you went into with both fists swinging?
I really don't know many other ways to go in, if I got strong enough pushback in a way that made sense i would have stopped. My pride doesn't exist and I will give ground on any belief if it seems logical and humanistic.
My pride doesn't exist and I will give ground on any belief if it seems logical and humanistic.
Killing animals and eating them is logically unnecessary and even the slaughter of them does lasting psychological harm to human beings in the slaughterhouses alone, if you don't want to speak of the pain and suffering and distress of the animals themselves. That should be enough.
don’t care about anyone’s criticism of their lack of care for the planet etc
The assholes care that much about the ideal of not caring that they spend money and do performative gestures to show how much they don't care and want to make a statement that no one should care.
Because they aren’t putting lots of effort into it.
Your perspective is being skewed by a few hyper online reactionary weirdos. But there are millions of business man dads out there just playing golf eating steaks and watching football who never think about it one way or another. You’re losing perspective.
Or they just eat it because it tastes good and they subconsciously are trying to commit socially acceptable suicide through heart attack because they don’t care about living longer but just enjoying sensual pleasures until they croak, regardless of who they hurt in the process. That is how they are trained to be from birth.
No. It isn't. I've seen it, personally, from people in my real life, in person. My mom's boyfriend, one of my sister's partners, like half the people my dad invited to his wedding. Carnists love to brag about how much meat they eat. It absolutely is performative for quite a lot of them.
I even have a theory as to why you haven't noticed it (which I admit I could be wrong about). Here's my theory: you're not vegan. Just like cis people often fail to recognize when they're performing gender, carnists often fail to realize that they eat performatively, because it's "normal" and "everyone" acts the same.
Agreed. I've known these people too and I'm unfortunately related to some of them.
But for that particular person you replied to, that can't possibly be because "LE STEAK IS LE DELICIOUS" and anything you say contrary to that is "EMBARRASSING" and you're "TOO ONLINE" if you disagree with them.
The internet and the offline world are not that separated anymore. It's almost impossible to function in contemporary society without an online presence.
Being that mad about a perceived threat to your le delicious le steaks is embarrassing to me, as is being this very online about what you are accusing everyone else of being very online about.
She's literally been on an anti-vegan crusade for days now. Her comments keep getting removed but nothing changes and no one's threatening her with anything more serious than that. Really sucks.
I understand, though it's unavoidable for it to be an ideological issue now.
Even now, I am one of those people that still believes less meat consumption is still a start and that outright complete abolition, while ideal, isn't likely to win over an already fickle general population that's spent generations normalizing the highest meat consumption rates in the world, unprecedentedly. The fact that carnist ideology is so widespread and aggressively entrenched makes an all-or-nothing approach only escalate the defensive reaction toward criticism. It's rough.
I understand, though it's unavoidable for it to be an ideological issue now.
Its very true, with meat consumption it become some sort of weird treats based nationalism. Although i'd argue its mostly part of the ruling class or imperial core, and the non beneficiary defenders are the usual outcast exceptions.
The fact that carnist ideology is so widespread and aggressively entrenched makes an all-or-nothing approach only escalate the defensive reaction toward criticism. It's rough.
thats more or less my position, I see veganism as an ultimate goal, I just have a hard time with the getting there part. To be fairly honest my reaction has mostly been one of surprise, I have never seen any space online or off with any actual vegans. Like any with any ideology or understanding behind them. I've never seen the whole thing as something deserving of a split, just a means to an end, that being a healthy and happy society. If that makes sense.
The kind of consumer-brained chuds that whine about "virtue signaling" vegans seem to consume a lot of meat as their own performative virtue signaling to each other.
I love that emoji. There was also that one tweet of Shapiro or some other loser like him with a huge, unappetizing chunk of meat.
Soy is feminine, but giving yourself colon cancer and ED to own the libs is very manly
I love all those ghouls doing "manly" things that they, for the most part, very clearly hate doing. Smoking giant cigars, drinking super intense Scotch, eating huge and unappetizing chunks of meat--whatever. It's all very funny because most of the time they're obviously just barely choking whatever it is down while screaming "does this bother you Rachel Maddow?! Are you triggered, college students?!" It's pretty obvious that it bothers them more than it bothers anyone else.
Uh i think they actually do like it. I know i do. Scotch and meat are both delicious. Not into cigars though.
Trying to say they don’t actually like it is just cope. Of course they do. The ones who try to use it as some political anti-woke virtue signaling are the most demented of them, but they still like the taste of the stuff etc.
You can have a problem with them and also acknowledge that they like what they are doing at the same time. You undermine your argument by creating straw men in your mind to get mad at.
There's also a lot of hormones in meat, maybe more in red meats idk. There's also lots of added growth hormones and such in dairy and meat to increase production.
I think there might be argument that carnist weirdos are actually doing some form of hormone therapy accidentally. 🤔
I've also heard that high meat consumption can potentially increase aggressive behaviors. I'd imagine the hormones are involved in that.
Vice signalling, if you will
Same chud attitude goes into "rolling coal" too.
THEY ENJOY BEING ASSHOLES. why is this so hard to understand?
It's not.
The assholes want to be praised for their reasonable nonpolitical "ironic" gestures against those (ableist slurs here) that made the mistake of caring too much.
Caring that much about the ideal of not caring is pretty common among assholes.
Pretty sure unless they are hyper online weirdos they are completely unaware of how angry you are at them. They are like having business dinners and eating steaks and burgers and shit and have kids probably. They probably watch sports.
You seem particularly worked up about some specific internet people in this thread, right now. If I am not mistaken you are significantly emotionally invested in this one issue at the moment and you do seem angry about it for unclear defensive reasons.
Besides, where does rolling coal work into your "le steak and le whiskey taste good stop talking about it STOP TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW" thesis?
No yall are. Stop projecting. I’m just trying to let you know your perspective is being skewed by being hyper online.
You're signaling your virtue of not caring, even now, and are apparently signaling your virtue of not caring about others "fucking loving steak" over and over again in this thread. You want other people here to stop caring because they're caring more than you're permitting them to care.
Nope. Wrong. I care. I also think steak tastes good. Those are not mutually exclusive positions actually.
It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself that steak does not taste good and anyone who says it does must be lying so that you don’t get tempted by it. Whatever you need to do for yourself is fine, but to publicly say you think such obviously false things just makes your arguments (which i agree with, i used to be vegan for years) look worse.
But anyway, not really worth continuing this conversation if you can’t see how it looks like you are just trying to convince yourself that beef tastes bad by saying that there is no way anyone actually thinks it tastes good and that they are just eating it to virtue signal anti-wokeness. People ate meat before wokeness was a thing, people around the world east it because they like it and it tastes good to most people. Start there.
So the difference between you and chuds on this issue is that you do care about the criticism and are being very online about what you perceive as everyone else being very online and are replying in this thread like a machine gun and flailing at everyone else for being "too online" because they're not nodding sagely at your "le steak is delicious DONT LOOK INTO IT STOP RIGHT NOW" posting.
Yup. That’s why I’m about to log off.
Good. Perform that virtue.
See you next reply!
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You seem to have some serious emotional investment in this specific issue if you've been flinging insults at me three times over in the span of a few minutes.
nah I just scrolled down the thread and replied to people who annoyed me
Meanwhile, "u r very online u looser" to anyone who spoke up against carnism in any form.
I really thought better of you.
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god you guys turn into redditors when you get poked about this bullshit
And what are you doing besides name calling and calling people losers because they're arbitrarily too online if you disagree with them on some specific consumer product you have emotional investment in?
I was being an asshole for no reason trying to say not to be an asshole, so yeah sorry
Rolling coal is being an asshole on purpose, and i would bet the same percentage of idiots do that as think they are owning the libs by eating steak every day. Less than 1%. The stat is about the 12% who eat most of the beef, most of those people are not trying to do anything performative or political.
The internet is skewing your understanding of the prevalence of these things, and it’s embarrassing to see people on here create straw men arguments about all the beef eating being performative, thinking they’re making a great dunk when they’re just totally wrong.
Exactly the point I was getting at.
And you're the enlightened detached very offline authority of who is too online and who is not, and you apparently draw that boundary with "le steak is le delicious STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW" rage posting.
Talk about it all you want. But creating straw men to get mad about is pretty embarrassing, that’s all.
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What liberal brainworm? Specify.
Is this some leftover fallout from that vegan struggle session that you went into with both fists swinging?
I really don't know many other ways to go in, if I got strong enough pushback in a way that made sense i would have stopped. My pride doesn't exist and I will give ground on any belief if it seems logical and humanistic.
Killing animals and eating them is logically unnecessary and even the slaughter of them does lasting psychological harm to human beings in the slaughterhouses alone, if you don't want to speak of the pain and suffering and distress of the animals themselves. That should be enough.
true
im going to need to think about this a little, thanks for your patience.
Uh actually they just like that shit and don’t care about anyone’s criticism of their lack of care for the planet etc.
The assholes care that much about the ideal of not caring that they spend money and do performative gestures to show how much they don't care and want to make a statement that no one should care.
Uh no. It’s not that deep. They’re just chuds.
How is it that deep to perceive people putting lots of effort into not caring in a hypocritical way?
Because they aren’t putting lots of effort into it.
Your perspective is being skewed by a few hyper online reactionary weirdos. But there are millions of business man dads out there just playing golf eating steaks and watching football who never think about it one way or another. You’re losing perspective.
Or they just eat it because it tastes good and they subconsciously are trying to commit socially acceptable suicide through heart attack because they don’t care about living longer but just enjoying sensual pleasures until they croak, regardless of who they hurt in the process. That is how they are trained to be from birth.
What was this moment, then?
And where did those "for every animal you don't eat, I will eat three" shirts come from?
Some of it is conscious performative assholery.
That shit is a tiny sliver of hyper online weirdos
No. It isn't. I've seen it, personally, from people in my real life, in person. My mom's boyfriend, one of my sister's partners, like half the people my dad invited to his wedding. Carnists love to brag about how much meat they eat. It absolutely is performative for quite a lot of them.
I even have a theory as to why you haven't noticed it (which I admit I could be wrong about). Here's my theory: you're not vegan. Just like cis people often fail to recognize when they're performing gender, carnists often fail to realize that they eat performatively, because it's "normal" and "everyone" acts the same.
Agreed. I've known these people too and I'm unfortunately related to some of them.
But for that particular person you replied to, that can't possibly be because "LE STEAK IS LE DELICIOUS" and anything you say contrary to that is "EMBARRASSING" and you're "TOO ONLINE" if you disagree with them.
The internet and the offline world are not that separated anymore. It's almost impossible to function in contemporary society without an online presence.
What is your goal here, anyway?
To convince my comrades to make better arguments so they’re not so embarrassing.
Being that mad about a perceived threat to your le delicious le steaks is embarrassing to me, as is being this very online about what you are accusing everyone else of being very online about.
comrade, you look like the mad and online one.
I don't play the "u r very online u looser" game.
It's too bad you're making it this personal and vengeful over... what? Carnism?
She's literally been on an anti-vegan crusade for days now. Her comments keep getting removed but nothing changes and no one's threatening her with anything more serious than that. Really sucks.
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very hostile of you
I cannot wait for you to be banned.
I admit Im not invested in it as an Ideological issue, although im beginning to see that it is. I'm not doing well right now, at all.
I understand, though it's unavoidable for it to be an ideological issue now.
Even now, I am one of those people that still believes less meat consumption is still a start and that outright complete abolition, while ideal, isn't likely to win over an already fickle general population that's spent generations normalizing the highest meat consumption rates in the world, unprecedentedly. The fact that carnist ideology is so widespread and aggressively entrenched makes an all-or-nothing approach only escalate the defensive reaction toward criticism. It's rough.
Its very true, with meat consumption it become some sort of weird treats based nationalism. Although i'd argue its mostly part of the ruling class or imperial core, and the non beneficiary defenders are the usual outcast exceptions.
thats more or less my position, I see veganism as an ultimate goal, I just have a hard time with the getting there part. To be fairly honest my reaction has mostly been one of surprise, I have never seen any space online or off with any actual vegans. Like any with any ideology or understanding behind them. I've never seen the whole thing as something deserving of a split, just a means to an end, that being a healthy and happy society. If that makes sense.