Our big red boy did a good job last night.

https://twitter.com/bluevirginia/status/1371998860147572736?s=19

  • Elyssius [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Why am I not surprised progressives do nothing but hamstring anyone to the left of them?

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      4 years ago

      Is support for Jennifer Carroll Foy somehow hamstringing leftism? She's a public defender by trade and seems to support a raft of progressive policies. She's also campaigning full-time, having announced no intention to run for State House again in order to focus entirely on the gubernatorial bid.

      • Elyssius [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yes, when a rather well liked leftist figure is running, stop trying to siphon voters off them by pushing some lukewarm progressive. They should have at least discussed this with Lee Carter so that they could determine the best course of action, rather than taking things into their own hands and watering down the playing field, allowing some neoliberal (who understands that once someone takes the lead, everyone else backs down to consolidate their voting base) to win off some technicality. This is literally Warren all over again, and you're falling hook line and sinker for it

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          4 years ago

          They should have at least discussed this with Lee Carter so that they could determine the best course of action, rather than taking things into their own hands and watering down the playing field

          I mean, do we know anything about the back end of this gubernatorial fight? Lee's not making this his full time job. He's still running concurrently for State House. That makes me think he knows he's a long-shot and isn't fully committed. He's potentially just a stalking horse for leftist agenda items and knows it.

          This is literally Warren all over again, and you’re falling hook line and sinker for it

          Sanders lobbied for Warren to run in 2016 and she turned him down to endorse Hillary prematurely. This is a distant cry from Sanders v Warren.

          • Elyssius [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            That makes me think he knows he’s a long-shot and isn’t fully committed

            Of course he's not fully committed, any leftist worth their salt would know that the succdems and progressives would rather gun him down in the street than to offer even the most token support to him

            Sanders lobbied for Warren to run in 2016 and she turned him down to endorse Hillary prematurely. This is a distant cry from Sanders v Warren.

            Because there is one dissimilarity it means that this "progressive" challenger isn't here to punch left. Is the next thing you're gonna say that Carter is neither old nor Jewish, and therefore cannot be compared to Sanders?

            • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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              4 years ago

              Of course he’s not fully committed

              Then why are you complaining when other leftist organizations aren't going out-of-pocket to help out a half-baked bid?

              succdems and progressives would rather gun him down in the street

              They're backing another candidate who is campaigning full time, not murdering him in a back alley. FFS my dude, have an ounce of perspective.

              Because there is one dissimilarity it means that this “progressive” challenger isn’t here to punch left.

              It means you're engaging in some wild revisionism and false-equivalency, because you want to slap snake emojis on a candidate whose primary crime appears to be winning the endorsements you wanted your candidate to get.

              • Elyssius [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Then why are you complaining when other leftist organizations aren’t going out-of-pocket to help out a half-baked bid?

                Because there is a negative chance that they would help him if he fully committed, and everyone here (except you) sees that plain as day?

                They’re backing another candidate who is campaigning full time, not murdering him in a back alley. FFS my dude, have an ounce of perspective.

                I'm talking about what they'd prefer, not what they did holy fuck. Yea they didn't murder him but they're sure as hell not supporting him, and THEY WILL NEVER support him

                It means you’re engaging in some wild revisionism and false-equivalency, because you want to slap snake emojis on a candidate whose primary crime appears to be winning the endorsements you wanted your candidate to get.

                Oh you're a Warren stan, talking to you is a waste of my fucking time

                P.S. Bernie is shit and he's still better than your imperialist girlboss slay kween

                • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                  4 years ago

                  P.S. Bernie is shit and he’s still better than your imperialist girlboss slay kween

                  Blackpilled.

                  You hate to see it.

                  • Elyssius [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    Why yes I think that the best person to lead the most genocidal nation to ever exist is someone who wants to nuke Yugoslavia

                    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                      4 years ago

                      You're about 30 years late to the party, if that's your biggest foreign policy concern.

                      • Elyssius [he/him]
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                        4 years ago

                        Ah yes we should forgive people for their bad takes when they don't even think they were bad takes or apologize for them because surely it doesn't indicate some underlying belief or flaw that will lead to awful outcomes if granted power in the future!

                          • Elyssius [he/him]
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                            4 years ago

                            The reason I dunk on Bernie for wanting to nuke Yugoslavia in the past is not because I believe he will nuke them if he takes power in the future.

                            It's because in order to have that opinion, he must have some underlying belief or flaw that leads to him having held that opinion in the past

                            I believe that belief or flaw will lead to awful outcomes in the future

                            Just because you are illiterate doesn't mean everyone else is

                              • Elyssius [he/him]
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                                4 years ago

                                Still not doing anything to address my original point that you lukewarm progressives do nothing but hamstring the left