My false-meat empanadas are the best.
Try using 50/50 minced meat/TVP and you won't notice the difference. I don't know how it behaves when doing meatballs or hamburguers, it probably crumbles if you don't add something else, but idk.
My false-meat empanadas are the best.
Try using 50/50 minced meat/TVP and you won't notice the difference. I don't know how it behaves when doing meatballs or hamburguers, it probably crumbles if you don't add something else, but idk.
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the role of fertilizer in agroecological systems
the vegan is anti-killing beings in the sense that they necessitate turning nature into wastelands in order to save that big, beautiful creature as if those millions of other creatures are useless. domesticated animals in symbiosis with human food production is intrinsic to ecological healthy coexistence. the ancient cultural, emotional and existential links of the domesticated animal-human relationship is disregarded for a non-holistic dogma of animal welfare which implementation neccessitate the creation of chemical-industrial wastelands. its the shortsightedness of human arrogance that selectively chooses what to destroy and what to salvage at its surface without the grace to properly handle its causal chains. remember, this is not a livestock-industrial argument. but drinking the milk of the cow that shits your fields is good.
e. on second thought, i think its much more poignant to just say that veganism is an amazing vehicle for the sustainability of israeli avocado exports
and if somebody finds a way to avoid fertilizers this argument falls apart. but so far all agroecological systems need animals. animals are good, folks
This is deffinitely a bit, but lessgo
You know cows don't eat natural pastures right? You gotta fertilize the maize fields to then harvest it and feed it to the cow. "But some cows do eat natural pastures" yeah, not the ones feeding the 99% of people, but anyways you gotta tend those pastures with fertilizer and shit too. Every element that gets exported from that field in the form of meat needs to be replenished somehow or it will run out.
Vegans aren't against people having a cow pet you know? They can behave like a dog.
Who the fuck buys avocados from israel? That shit can grow anywhere, go get some trees, put them in a near park if you don't have a backyard or sidewalk and you'll have a shitton of avocados.
feels more like a dunkfest than dialogue. i wouldnt extend the argument to extremist ecotopian primitivists, this is more about the casual supermarket shopper who buys a product that doesnt involve killing a cow but instead killing a whole allotment. of course buying the cow has the baggage of the latter and its own garbage on top. i explicitly stayed clear on that. the point is that a sane semi-normal human can try to not harm living creatures by eating if they aquire food from agroecology. animals are involved. maybe they are pets, but if that is acceptable why is milk not allowed for vegans? because of the involuntary involvement of sentiens into human processes. my argument is perfectly fit for vegetarianism advocacy fwiw
Wait, you mean "cows are necesary to fertilize the fields"? Dude, no, the phosphorous in the ground, that takes the plant, that then eat the cow can do only two things: be shitted for the loop to start again, or become part of meat, that will get sent to a big city, where people will eat it and permanently become human meat, or be shitted and end up in the ocean where it has no way to go back to the field. In short: you need to add fertilizer to a field or eventually it will run out of it.
no investigation, no right to speak
Huh? I can call an agronomic ingeneer and an ecologist if you want.
please do you seem confused and the comment above didnt connect with my point at all which is why i assumed you are talking from the depths of your bottoms and should probably not speak up
Alright sorry if I was rude, let's restart this.
I understand you are "anti-vegan" because something about agroecology and fertilizers that I don't really understood. And I really didn't understand where the "eugenics" happens. I understand "eugenics" as, you know, sterilizing/killing a group of people that "ruins the genetic pool". It's different from genocide because the group of unwanted are the same ethnicity as the people with power.
How does someone get to the point where they can say this unironically? Did you feel really bad about eating animal products deep down or something so you searched for literally anything to justify it?
i genuinely wish to derive my diet from ecological sound processes. this requires me to accept that animals are a part of the process. there is no way to artificially remove them from the entire picture without following the logic of petrochemical agroindustrial ecocidal techniques. you choose to eat "ethical" by sacrificing b to save a. none of you have engaged with, i dont think anyone of you actually understand, this but its a sound point
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