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  • I'd call BE an eclectic Marxist tbh.

    He definitely holds his fair share of ultra positions but he's not actually an ultra; he mentioned that he considered Stalin to be 50/50 good/bad and Mao to be 70/30. An ultra wouldn't say anything like that (despite my objections that those names at the least need to be swapped around; not to start a struggle session but Stalin made a lot of choices that were either under duress or the best of a bad set of options while Mao made some major fuckups all by himself, although I think both figures need higher ratings tbh.)


  • One thing that wasn't mentioned in that post is that BE denied the fact that BA415 faced any credible threat because he wasn't at risk of being killed after being doxed.

    For one thing, I believe it was France that had its demographic data used to aid in identifying the people who were put into concentration camps and/or exterminated; just because your personal information is safe today under the current regime is no assurance that your personal information won't be used against you tomorrow under different circumstances.

    Another thing is that this is just completely false. It's not a stretch to imagine that he might have been swatted and that during the swatting he could have gotten killed, either through typical Yankee cop negligence or by something more malicious and planned.

    Last of all, being doxed can pose a significant threat to your safety and wellbeing without credible threats to your life. Just because nobody is coming around to your address to put a bullet in your head doesn't mean that they aren't ordering a barrage of pizzas at all times of the night, that people can't threaten, intimidate, or harass you, that they can't interfere with your job, that they can't get you fired, evicted, or brought up on false charges etc.

    I'd love to get BE to respond on stream to a question about why he keeps his identity and residence away from public knowledge because he'd immediately give half a dozen reasons why this is the case without needing a moment to think about it. It would really undermine this shitty hot take of his.



  • This is the point where, if I was an organiser in the UK, I would start pushing really hard for raising awareness about how the watermelon is symbolic of support for Palestine and I'd start organising watermelon-based protests, including the strategic deployment of watermelons left at the entrances to Zionist organisations.

    If they want to push demonstrations for Palestine underground, so be it. Getting arrested as a prisoner of conscience in the UK isn't going to serve the interests of Palestinians.

    But imagine how fragile and absurd the Zionists would look if they tried to suppress the celebration of watermelons and public watermelon eating events or if people started getting brought up on terrorism charges for "accidentally" leaving a shopping bag with a watermelon on the steps of buildings.

    Not only would judges be virtually forced to throw out any charges laid against people for this stuff but it would be an absolute media coup to have big Zionist organisations playing victim by cowering in terror at a watermelon left on their steps.






  • This is based on nothing besides the fact that I recognise your username and I get the vibe that you're in that 16-25yo bracket.

    With that in mind and from what you've said here, which is admittedly very little info, I would recommend considering the possibility that you may be neurodivergent (specifically of the ADHD/autistic/AuDHD varieties.)

    It's just a wild hunch so I'm not going to go into the why of it but it's just worth thinking about and especially trying a screening test or two over.




  • So a lot of this is going to be contextual - how important the friendship is, how deep he has gone into the manosphere, how long he's been in it etc.

    I'm going to approach this from the assumption that it's a long-game situation and that you care about the person deeply. Pretty much everything applies from this but whether you choose to maintain the friendship or whether you decide to end the friendship or you aren't willing to invest as much into this project as it demands is your prerogative.

    Basically in a long-game situation your primary concern will be to always maintain the relationship and lines of communication. If you don't have those two fundamental factors, you will be unable to effect any change.

    What this means is that you will almost certainly need to be judicious in what you choose to push back on and when you decide to do it. What this looks like, in practice, is letting things slide by if they do not serve your overall goals. I'm not saying that you have to tacitly or even implicitly support their opinions but if you are skilful about it you can make asides to voice dissent without dragging something down into a debate. Throwaway lines like "I don't really see it that way" or "That doesn't track with my experience" before carrying on the conversation are going to be important here.

    Your friend has almost certainly taken the trauma of a breakup and turned it into manosphere bullshit. What this means is he likely feels lost, powerless, abandoned, disillusioned etc. and the manosphere narratives are assuaging these underlying feelings. You will need to approach your interactions with him in a way that does not threaten him or aggravate these feelings of powerlessness etc. because if you position yourself as a threat to the beliefs which give him a sense of security and power then you will aggravate the underlying causes for him falling to the manosphere and you will almost certainly make him dig deeper into the manosphere as a way of bolstering himself.

    You will need to walk the tightrope of being a friend to him while not being an ally to his beliefs. You will have to demonstrate that you will not abandon him and that you are not going to force him into positions where he feels powerless. But at the same time, you cannot endorse his beliefs and you will need to get him to trust you enough that he expresses these opinions to you and then to trust you enough to let you explore these opinions in regards to validity, consequences, implications etc.

    This is where the real work takes place. You need to be delicate and engaged while also holding a position of detachment - if you treat these discussions where you explore his beliefs from an antagonistic angle or where you are heavily invested in it emotionally, it's going to result in arguments and shutting down and similar counterproductive outcomes.

    Essentially, you want to get him to move from a totalising narrative such as "All women are b*tches" to something which has nuance, even if it isn't a complete reversal. This might mean that when he says something like this and you have decided that it's appropriate to challenge it in that moment, you could reflect that he doesn't treat his mom/sister/etc. as if that statement is true. Then you want to explore this apparent contradiction and use dialogue to open up space to compare, reflect, challenge, and further explore.

    If, over time, he moves from "All women are b*tches" to something like "Most women are..." or "Women can be..." then that's progress, even if it doesn't feel that way.

    Keep on chipping away at these values by exploring them, gently countering them (especially with real-world examples), and ultimately getting him to question the narratives himself.

    It's kinda hard to give a clear procedural roadmap to how you would go about challenging someone's beliefs because it's all so contextual but I hope this is a starting point for you. And I just want to give you a caution that if you approach interactions with your friend from the position of "I'm right and he's wrong, he needs to learn from me so that he can see my point of view and why I'm right", you're never going to make progress. You have to be humble, open, curious, and most of all gentle.

    Good luck with it.


  • There was an academic work mentioned in a recent Cosmopod episode Between the Market and the Plan. It was a very brief mention in regards to the shifting sexual mores in the USSR.

    Unfortunately the title of the work wasn't very descriptive nor catchy so I can't recall it now. And of course the episode is 3 hours long. I'll try to dig up the reference and get back to you about it.


  • Just to contribute to this point with something to reflect upon:

    During the (laughably titled) "Red Vienna" era, when SocDems ran the city, the government built high quality housing blocks for the working people, which would house one tenth of the city's entire population.

    Rent in these blocks was around 4% of a working class income.

    Are you pulling in more cash than a Viennese worker in the 1932, dollar-for-dollar (adjusted)? Probably.

    Are you spending somewhere from 25-75% of your income on housing alone, making you effectively worse off than that Viennese worker in 1932? Again, probably.

    When you crunch the rawest of numbers you can get some really skewed ideas about what the reality is. Statistics lie.



  • Okay, for note-taking I think there are a few critical things to do:

    1. Write down explanations of terms/names which you don't implicitly understand the meaning of. Lenin is dragging Kautsky but you don't know why or what Kautsky represented? Cool. Figure it out via Wikipedia, searching r*ddit, making a question here or on Hexbear about it etc. and write a summary of what "Kautsky" symbolises.

    2. Write down questions and assumptions as they come up. "SPD will later betray the KPD" or "How does the SPD rationalise their collaboration with the Nazis? Is Thällman right about 'social fascism'?"

    3. Highlight key points and takeaways from the text. Stuff like interesting quotes, important details, the key learnings etc. All the stuff that you would put into a summary of the book if you needed to, basically.

    4. You don't have to do this in the book itself. You might want to write things down on a notepad or type it up in a word document. Depending on how in-depth you're going, you may want to even go so far as to make it into something resembling a draft of an essay. Note that the very exercise of writing things out will reinforce your learning process so it doesn't even need to be a permanent document tbh.


  • I'm also in favour of going ham on annotating books because what use is a book if it goes unused?

    The purpose of a book is to be read and to be used as a tool for learning, so use it as it's been designed.

    My caveat here would be for books which are first editions or extremely rare ones but that aside, use it as you will.

    If you still don't feel comfortable with that then you can use a pencil so that your annotations are erasable or you can buy sticky inserts that are transparent overlays which you can use to write onto which doesn't cause any permanent impact on the book itself.

    As for how you take notes, it depends on what your purpose is. I'm going to chew on this question and respond to it in another reply once I've mustered the brainpower.





  • Add "no bosses" to that list too.

    Y'all think that any sort of construction or manufacturing is going to run in a self-organised fashion without foremen? Lol, good luck.

    If you've never worked in a factory before, that's cool but there are much better ways of announcing this fact and I think that it's important to remember the old "No investigation, no right to speak" or, in their terms "In the matter of boots, I refer to the authority of the bootmaker".

    I try not to focus too much on these types because I'm convinced that a couple of years of touching grass, working for a living, and spending time doing on the ground organising will bring these infantile urges in people to a conclusion in all but the most stubborn-minded. Although you can cut through these naive ideological positions by tracing out how there was (vulgar) vanguardism in their favourite historical socialist projects and how leadership was crucial to their functioning. That being said I have more important things to do with my time than engaging people with discussions on that stuff tbh.


  • Yeah, more broadly the western left is in shambles but to see how (comparatively) rapidly it's shaping up gives me hope.

    This could be representative of the circles I've moved in with my own political journey but MLism wasn't even on the table. Heck, being a revolutionary wasn't really either. If you look at, say, the anti-globalisation protests and the anti-war movement(s) around the bush era the left was mostly what I'd characterise as being extremely progressive. There was a time when Naomi Klein was extremely influential on this cohort.

    Nowadays Klein isn't a name I see brought up in the left except for the very rare mention of her underrated documentary The Take because the left is much more radical now than she is.

    There was a time where the compatible left was the left and it didn't have to go around proclaiming that Marxism-Leninism is a "dead ideology" which, if you look at it from the perspective of Implicature or you're a bit Hegelian about it, it's pretty obvious that if Marxism-Leninism really was dead then nobody would need to proclaim this fact because:

    a) It would be self-evident; nobody needs to proclaim that Manichaeism is dead because it's already true

    b) It would be irrelevant to say as much since it is already dead; I'd venture that most people haven't got a clue what Manichaeism even is because Manichaeism truly is dead

    The opposite is true for Marxism-Leninism.

    Nowadays there's a couple of major splits within the radical and circa-radical left, as I see it:

    1. There's the essentially silent movement where people log off, touch grass, and are dedicated to organising in their communities. This isn't really seen unless you're embedded in an org or an online circle where you know people in it and you see them check out of their online presence in favour of on the ground work. But it's certainly happening although because this shift is predicated upon not announcing it online and not constantly touting it on social media it is largely invisible.

    2. There's the radical left vs the compatible left split. This is where you see one side sheepdogging everyone to vote for the Dems and denouncing tankies as "ruining the left for everyone else" etc. vs the people who are capable of critiquing the progressive left and doing self-crit on the actual left who engage in materialist analysis and serve as the spectre haunting the internet because they are more organised, generally much better informed and more well-versed in theory etc.

    The fact that Marxism-Leninism is on the rise is no accident. People have seen the failures of movements like Occupy and the CHAZ and they've learned from them. The material conditions have rapidly changed over the past two decades and I'd argue that this has a significant impact on people's ideological positions. Your political development arc mirrors that of a lot of people who are now communist too.

    If you take PatSocs, as an example, this was essentially a line struggle that developed in the broader western left. I'd say that it's pretty much dead in the water now, thankfully. But there was a split in the ideological positions and the western left hashed out its position on regressive nationalism extremely rapidly. This is characteristic of a vital movement that is thriving and honing itself and that alone is worth celebrating because it means that not only is there enough people in a movement to cause a split(!!) but the movement is developing and it will continue to do so with future splits too.

    To go from "Oh no, we must be conscious consumers and stop supporting sweatshops with our hard earned cash!!" to "Let's set up camp outside Wall Street and... idk but we'll figure out the rest later lol" to "We are going to read Marx and Lenin and we're going to seize the state by force" is a very promising development arc.


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    You are going to keep on encountering this as you read up on theory and history.

    Try not to be too down on yourself when it happens because you shouldn't expect yourself to be completely across the most important topics of political debate in Europe from nearly two centuries ago.

    Imagine a person in a century from now reading articles from, say, The Guardian and coming across something which references "Trumpism" or "the MAGA movement" to critique it; that person almost certainly isn't going to understand what the MAGA movement refers to but the Guardian article is going to treat it as if everyone grasps what they're referring to because the Guardian is part of a contemporary discussion right in this very moment where it's topical and relevant and so of course everyone grasps what it means today but this will not be the case in a hundred year's time.

    I'd recommend one of two approaches here:

    Either skip over these sorts of terms because the fact that they don't mean anything to you may be indicative of the fact that they are no longer relevant to contemporary politics (for example, you don't hear people talking about Manichaeism or Fabianism today because it bears no relevance to today's politics) or to put a little note next to the name with a shorthand version of what that person's thought represents (for example, when reading Lenin lambast Bernstein you might put a little note saying "incremental reformism under bourgeois democracy to achieve socialism" so that whenever you encounter Lenin striking out against Bernsteinism then you can know what he's really criticising when he does it.)

    It will make more sense as you read more theory. Good luck with it!