Interesting, here in the US it's pretty standard for everyone to get it to protect people around you. Depending on your job they'll even bring people in so you can get it during a day of work even

Hey look it's me and my partner in the shower- they hog all the water and I'm in corner trying to do my face routine

I'll stop "punching down" then. If people want to buck medical science out of fear and nothing else, fine

Sure lot of things would, largely if there was any (ideally per-reviewed) takedowns of the trials, how they were conducted, who they tested on, the timeline of it, control groups, what the vaccine is comprised of etc etc

This was a wall of text that amounted to having problems with a paper on the vaccine and I do not understand how a couple minor issues extend to feeling vindicated about the vaccine itself

3 people having allergic reactions is not enough for me to be skeptical. Finding out they only tested it on white women between the ages of 32 and 35 or something absurd would. Lastly, whenever I'm a little uncertain about covid vaccines I look up stuff about the flu vaccine as a comparison point and if anything stands out I'll consider it more

Opiates have legitimate medical usage which is why they have been approved by the FDA. A private company paying off doctors, pharmacies and insurance companies to push their drugs is not comparable to this, which is just a drug approval process. If Pfizer is caught pushing covid vaccines on people that don't need them and lobbying against vaccine laws to keep the cash flow going you're welcome to dunk on me

I was hoping for someone with more authority too and I'm incredibly reluctant to lead the charge on this but eh

So we have-

Pfizer didn't make exclusion criteria accessible (but it was able to be found, author had to make an edit)

Fever of 104+ not being in this particular paper even though this side effect has been noted enough that casual journalism has shared this fact

And that Pfizer had a direct hand in writing/publishing the paper the author is responding to.

So I ask out of curiosity, what this article does for you and what you're skeptical about? Does an imperfectly written paper on the topic discredit the vaccine in your eyes?

Declaring that you, as someone who has read news articles here and there, deserves to be skeptical is a declaration that you have an understanding of covid and the vaccine that an entire global network of scientists, review boards, and clinics trials does not have. So would you like to share with the rest of the class?

This is the problem with vaccine skepticism, and being afraid and not knowing everything and latching onto a gut feeling is the very foundation of anti-vax rhetoric and I'm not gonna let it slide, sorry

Just curious are you up to date on your vaccinations? Do you get the flu vaccine every year?

I'm science dumb too, I just like questioning things and reading lol. I'll try to collect some things for this

Just some examples of recent posts with problematic takes/comments that are more upvoted than downvoted-

https://hexbear.net/post/58177

https://hexbear.net/post/60097

https://hexbear.net/post/59777

https://hexbear.net/post/61609

This is just a quick handful, and nothing is surface level 'the vaccine will cause austism' type anti vax takes but they do rely heavily on relying on your gut feeling over trusting the science and call outs of this behavior generally get less traction/upvotes than the bad takes.

Just something to toss out, people keep saying the vaccine is rushed around here and imply or outright state that they cut corners during trials when in reality things were fast tracked in an administrative way. I don't have the time or the energy to correct "the vaccine was rushed out" every time I see it, yet it's been repeated enough that people believe it, and from there anti vax shit grows (ex- "I don't trust it since it's rushed so I'll probably wait a bit to get it" is very common around here, unfortunately)

I've thought about it but quite frankly I've been too lazy to but maybe it's needed

Oh God oh fuck I've been recognized and mentioned in a post I'm gonna delete my account now

"don't touch me, don't touch me, this is on camera" holy fuck does this make my blood boil. The fact that it's socially acceptable to stick a camera in someone's face and film them and broadcast/stream/upload it for millions to see but it's not acceptable to tell them to fuck off or make them stop is just ahhhhhhHHHHHH

A pair of light blue or green glasses instead of pink would switch it up so much. But hey, if she likes pink that much then go for it

Some of this is just general knowledge that I've picked up here and there but when I want to point people to stuff I tend to use-

Short overview of FDA trials and what each phase means and remind them we are in Phase 4 meaning the drug is available for use but they monitor it heavily for any additional side effects or other issues.

Normally when you submit a vaccine to the FDA your on a waiting list and you're behind everyone else who put one in before you. They bumped everything related to covid to the front of the line (which is why test options got quick approval too) and they cut out arbitrary waiting periods between trials. This source is good or if you want a short blurb about how they basically sped up paperwork there is this as well

mRNA vaccines are new and really cool but also rely on known science so they are pretty safe. Bonus source

Here's something about people with egg allergies reacting to current vaccines this does not apply for all vaccines but its useful to mention whenever people bring up allergic reactions to this vaccine (which tbf does not contain eggs or gelatin, the two common causes of allergic reactions to vaccines)

Sorry that this is kinda surface level info/articles, if someone has a comphresive source on all this I'd love it so I can send it to people lol. Please re-evaluate the vaccine discussion here because it's outright dangerous. People possibly declining this vaccine puts them and everyone around them at risk

You're missing the part that we don't have any mRNA vaccines on the market and this could be a reaction that an incredibly small portion of the population has to any vaccine like this. (People with egg allergies have issues with current market vaccines, just as an example). You're missing the part where this did not come up in trials and out of the hundreds of approved vaccines already given in the UK they've only seen 2 examples of this. You're missing the part where covid vaccines were fast tracked in an administrative sense but heavily scrunitized (this is going out to hundreds of millions of people) so to call them rushed is a stretch. You're missing the parts were "oh shit, that's a new side effect" always happens with every new medication and that's the whole purpose of the "Phase 4 trial" concept, which this vaccine is still going through.

Skepticism is a good thing, but taking a single data point or news headline to confirm what is ultimately a gut feeling you have is straight up anti vax logic and should not be tolerated or promoted here. Sorry for the mild rant but the discourse around this vaccine here is god awful and I'm sick of seeing anti vax talking points and views being applied around here

3 cases out of what, thousands, for a type of vaccine we've never deployed, for a novel disease? Idk sounds kinda sus those anti vax people might be on to something :galaxy-brain:

They get a pass, no question, but here on chapo for chat I'm gonna be scratching my head at thinking cashiers are the reason we don't have free food while dabbling in socialism

I'm in awe of this, how do you view individual cashiers as being in control of keeping commodities away from people? How do you wind up posting on a socialism subreddit with such a narrow-minded, individualistic world view?