The problem with your logic is that "they did it first, so we're going to do it second" leads to a never ending cycle of violence.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, or doesn't matter because it's the West, I'm just saying that "west bad" is a fucking shit reason to kill 1m people invading another country.
Whataboutism isn't absolution and I have nothing to be absolved of. I don't defend war mongering on behalf of any country. Unlike the replies in this thread.
Being against the Russian invasion of a sovereign nation does not make me a Liberal, I'm sorry that doesn't align with your narrative.
you get super pissed whenever somebody suggest you stop sending people to die for no reason
What's wrong with you? What makes you think I've sent anyone to die? For any reason? And got pissed about it?? Do you think I'm the Ukrainian president or something?
Russia gets bored and goes home for absolutely no reason
Yet another example of making shit up to fit your narrative. You could equally frame it as "Russia realises that invading another country is wrong and withdraws". Both as equally as unlikely as any of your suggestions. In all liklihood there will be some other solution that allows the main parties to save face and hopefully stops the killing. I'm sure you want people to stop dying too.
As for your last paragraph of barely cohesive babble - none of that is remotely accurate. I'm not a Liberal, I'm not as naive as some people to think I can suggest or predict a solution, I don't think you "can't" point out atrocities by the west - I'm just saying "but they did it first" is a shit reason to kill 1m people.
And why on earth would I need to choose one of your solutions to this monstrous invasion? My viewpoint is that the imperialists should go back to their own country and stop butchering civilians. I don't give a shit why they do it. I'd rather we got there yesterday and less people died...but if the only way to stop the aggressive and unjustified invasion is to drive them back militarily then I guess that's what has to be done. Because your options are shit.
More whataboutism. You can't use one atrocity to justify another, otherwise you're justifying them all. That would be atrocious.
Why have you ruled out 1 option yet didn't rule out Ukraine doing exactly what you're saying Russia can't do? Seems like you've been brainwashed.
I dont know what the answer is; but I do know that a million dead Russians and Ukrainians is an awful thing. I also know that Russia started the military action and could at any time return to its own territory and stop the dying. If Russia suddenly has some legitimate territorial claim then it should settle it through diplomacy, not with the blood of millions.
I also think it's up to Ukraine to choose what it does, and everyone should support that decision. Currently only the west seems to support it...and because Russia hasn't had its way its throwing its toys out the pram and trying to settle it with the blood of millions of innocents.
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