ladusseldorf [none/use name]

well excuse me for wanting to debate with some good chapo leftists. i come in good faith. i may have different opinions, but i'm talking openly and honestly here.

it says that there is a 13% decrease in transmission between vaccinated and unvaccinated. this means that 100% of people could be vaxxed and covid would still spread widely. we are going to be living with this for the foreseeable future. there is no zero covid via vaccines. my belief is that the left should be pushing for broad reforms to the healthcare system and not solely focused on the vaccine. if people want to get it, great. a lot of people are untrusting of the govt and pharma, and for good reason. we should be talking to these people and offering solutions instead of calling them all chud reactionaries, which just isn't true.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/uk-study-finds-vaccinated-people-easily-transmit-delta-variant-households-2021-10-28/

yes we are in a public health crisis. but it's not being handled like a public health crisis. it's being handled like a corporate takeover. we are almost two years into this and in a sane world we could have fixed and expanded our (i'm in the US) utterly hollowed out healthcare system, put in place early at-home care procedures, etc. but we haven't. i just don't believe that the state, pharma, tech, etc cares about saving lives or public health in general. especially when all their answers to the pandemic (lockdowns, partial business closure, vaccine mandates) have lined the pockets of the ruling class while causing irreparable harm to the average person. now on top of this you think authoritarian measures are necessary? and you expect people to just go along and trust the people in power? when all the early promises of the vaccine have proved way off the mark? the left is so fucked if this is the line going forward. jezza (and his very cool brother btw) are on the right track.

what falsehoods?

the term antivaxer is widely misused. i got the moderna vax, my kids got all their shots as babies, but i am strongly against compulsory covid vaccination. i am also not going to get a booster every 3-6 months. this is not how the vax was sold to the public at the beginning. it has proven to be far less effective than we were told and will require endless boosters.

i know its painful to admit but the vaccines just don't work very well. they were rushed out by project warp speed, a combo pentagon/big pharma operation. they slightly reduce the severity of a case but do not stop transmission. their effectivness falls off drastically after a few months. natural immunity is by all accounts much more robust and life long. if you are high risk you can take the vaccine. if you just want to be careful you can take the vaccine. if you are in good health, with no pre existing conditions it should not be compulsory because the jab will not stop transmission.