oranje [he/him,comrade/them]

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  • i am not meaning to be a dick but i'm not sure you are recalling his book correctly or are inferring these takes based on what you read rather than take Parenti for what he's actually writing which is mostly plainly about the period he's talking about. like i dont think he's implying Rome is analogous to a capitalist society, but rather he's implying all throughout that the existence of wealth dialectically points to the existence of poverty, and that this dialectic then points to all these shared political issues and shared contradictory class interests between Roman society and modern society

    from there you can see he's not actually interested in what Caesar /is/ but what he /did/ and why that was treated as autocratic and treasonous and punishable by death to his extremely wealthy peers of the higher class

    that is to say i don't really see how Parenti was wrong about Caesar, and that Caesar's death shouldn't be some weird celebration of a defeat of tyranny

    and about him being a genuine force for good for (some of) the lower classes of Roman society, you're saying this is unsupported and that what Parenti explicitly claims he did (such as wiping debts, preventing people from selling themselves into slavery, bypassing the senate to pass measures that would go against their class interests, among many other things Parenti lists) either didnt happen or can't be attributed to him? this is mainly what i thought you were going to disprove

    clarifying: i have read the book but he basically summarises himself in this speech https://youtu.be/_IO_Ldn2H4o at 23:39 he lists these accomplishments of Caesar - if these are true then the thrust of Parenti's arguments is entirely acceptable to me