All I'm hearing is "There are no good and bad things, only group consensus. Racism became bad when we all agreed it was bad."

Edit: Look, all I really want is for you to stop hurting animals and stop punching left at vegans. If you feel the need to play enlightened centrist, punch right and go annoy the anti-vegans who keep stirring up shit, especially on this comm.

I have no doubt there are plenty of racists on this website, and plenty more who come in from time to time. Taking action against racism is how we deal with them. Taking action against carnism is how we deal with the reactionary human supremacists. Spending your time sniping at vegans as you do is the opposite of that.

Cool, because the racism isn't something you can put in your mouth you can recognize it as a bad thing.

You don't have to because the violence is built into society. You can just go sit in the whites-only section of the restaurant and feel smug about the fact that you personally don't care what color your friends' skin is, because the mechanisms of privilege are all ready made for you to take advantage of, and then get mad at all those black protesters because they care so much, and enlightened people don't care about things.

You are correct, species are abstractions. That's why using species to draw lines of when violence is "fine" and when violence makes you a "bad person" is bullshit.

Ok, literally killing and eating animals is "just a choice" but discriminating against humans makes you a bad person.

You are a speciesist. If hatred and bigotry makes someone a bad person, you are one. Fuck off.

So do you tolerate transphobia in your friends and dismiss it as "fine"?

"Eating chicken is fine if you think eating chicken is fine" is just a needlessly convoluted way of saying "eating chicken is fine." "Good person" is a nonsense label, we should talk about specific behaviors as right and wrong, not people as good or bad. Racism is wrong, carnism is wrong. Plenty of people throughout history have been bigots, we don't have to judge them as "good people" and "bad people," to spend our time arguing about whether Stalin was a "good person" or a "bad person" based on e.g. the criminalization of homosexuality. We do need to be clear that racism, homophobia, and carnism are wrong, not fine, and things we should advocate against.

Believe it or not, saying something is "fine" is advocating that thing. Playing enlightened centrist and not drawing any difference between good and bad things, just saying "follow your heart :)" is reactionary behavior. "I think different unions should do what they think is right in terms of racial segregation, which includes allowing black people if they think they should" is patently a statement which defends segregation.

Cool. I kind of don't believe you. Either way, stop advocating for other people to do it.

Yes you are correct, eating chicken isn't fine. Being a reactionary is not fine and not something we should advocate by calling it fine. Tolerance does not extend to reactionaries. A chicken's body is not your body and not part of your relationship with your body.

You shouldn't shame people for being fat because being fat isn't wrong, not because putting something in my mouth causes it to enter some sacred inviolate realm of personal autonomy. If I kill and eat you, that's not "my personal relationship with food", that's a relationship of violence with you. If I pay a poor person to kill a chicken so I can eat it, that's not my personal relationship with food, that's a relationship of violence with that chicken.

Calling violence "fine" is advocating it. Not being able to control something doesn't make it fine and it doesn't mean you should spend your time advocating it. I can't control other people's racism, I don't spend my time logging onto hexbear, finding every anti-racist post I can, and saying "racism is fine, you can be racist and a leftist, stop splitting the left against our racist comrades." If I did that I'd be advocating racism.

Sorry, not going to have a discussion about anything besides the fact that you spend your time on this website advocating violence against animals.

Eating my shit is vegan because I told you to do it. Eat shit carnist

Eat shit carnist

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It's ok to have impulse control issues. It's not ok to hurt animals. What's not to get? People don't have infinite self control but we should expect people to have self control when it matters.

"I can't stop masturbating" -> "thats ok buddy, nobody really cares"

"I can't stop kicking dogs" -> "what the fuck dude you need to stop"

"I can't stop eating sugar" -> "ok, that's fine"

"I can't stop eating animal corpses" -> "yes you can you piece of shit"

"I can't stop scrolling on the internet" -> "yeah me neither lol"

"I can't stop calling people the n-word on the internet" -> "fuck off racist"

This isn't that complicated.

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https://hexbear.net/post/221668