"LGBT is a western psy op because I saw a NATO official holding a rainbow flag once" is a brain-poisoned take I see increasingly coming out of hegemonic officials in the imperial periphery because it erases the possibility that there was ever a domestic LGBT movement demanding fair treatment. Also how the fuck is Chen Weihua gonna say this shit? By his same logic Marxism in China is a German psy-op because Marx was German. It's stupid.
It's also incredibly frustrating because LGBT are still treated like shit in the West. It is far from some hegemonic Western principle. Turn the clock back 50 years and you have nearly LGBT movement in the imperial core getting dismissed as some kind of commie plot imported to drain America of its masculinity and so on. It's an excuse that can always be used. I was arguing with some Russians (who I ironically agreed with on their Ukraine takes) who were insisting that all LGBT movements in their domestic sphere are Western NGOs and what have you. I said "Why ban LGBT demonstrations and not just blanket ban Western NGOs if that's what you're worried about?" And then they used this tortured logic where "actually we're super nice to gays over here aslongas they keep it in the bedroom it's just that LGBT is a western acronym and that's how you know it's a Western imported movement meant to destabilize us."
if :inshallah-script: USA/NATO/EU collapsed and was scattered to the four winds these motherfuckers would still blame LGBT as being a western psy op the same way American officials pretend every communist is some kind of fly that burst forth from the corpse of the USSR.
You also have to remember that neoliberal regimes in the developing world that plundered billions of their own country’s wealth and parked them overseas while instituting harsh labor laws to crush wages and living standards in their own country
i never forget this.
are also the same affluent upper middle class people who are most aligned with Western values (like you know, Western neoclassical economics and their IMF austerity)
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and enjoyed Western liberal culture, including support for progressive LGBT rights.
this isn't "western culture" considering "western culture" is still frothing at the mouth with LGBTphobia. We just had a mass shooting this week. Don't Ask Don't Tell existed until very recently. Gay marriage didn't happen until this century. Anti-sodomy laws are still on the books in the USA. Deliberate conflation of LGBT people with pedophiles is a constant problem. Just because :porky-happy: uses LGBT rights as a fake justification for imperialism doesn't mean LGBT rights has ever been the tip of the spear of western imperialism. I'm tired of imperialists using human rights as a thin justification for what they do because it causes this brain poisoned thinking. If America is falsely claiming to bomb brown people on behalf of LGBT it doesn't justify mistreating LGBT as a response to western imperialism. European Colonialism during the age of exploration saw vast purges of indigenous LGBT in the very same regions where domestic conservative forces now claim that LGBT is some kind of western import. LGBT rights isn't erasure of indigenous culture, and it isn't western imperialism. It is merely an excuse used by Western imperialists to justify their behavior. I used Marx in China as an example for a reason. Why is that not seen as Western influence but LGBT is? It seems like a selective justification of bigotry rather than a real argument.
I'm glad you have a cool family, a lot of us dont. Where I live, trusting someone over the age of30 to not bea homophobe can actually be a death sentence.
Apologies. I had thought you were partly joking since "old people are homophobic" while often true, was a bit of a non-sequitur that had little to do with me talking about LGBTphobes in the imperial periphery using fake anti-imperialism as a justification for LGBTphobia. The "idk what you want" at the end also made me think you were joking.
I also don't think it's simply a generational divide. There are plenty of older LGBT people and plenty of younger LGBTphobes and the perceived causes and effects of LGBTphobia are different from country to country which was mainly what I was talking about: The relation between western think tanks using LGBT rights as a fake justification for imperialism and reactionaries outside the imperial core using the perception of these think tanks as a fake justification for LGBTphobia.
"LGBT is a western psy op because I saw a NATO official holding a rainbow flag once" is a brain-poisoned take I see increasingly coming out of hegemonic officials in the imperial periphery because it erases the possibility that there was ever a domestic LGBT movement demanding fair treatment. Also how the fuck is Chen Weihua gonna say this shit? By his same logic Marxism in China is a German psy-op because Marx was German. It's stupid.
It's also incredibly frustrating because LGBT are still treated like shit in the West. It is far from some hegemonic Western principle. Turn the clock back 50 years and you have nearly LGBT movement in the imperial core getting dismissed as some kind of commie plot imported to drain America of its masculinity and so on. It's an excuse that can always be used. I was arguing with some Russians (who I ironically agreed with on their Ukraine takes) who were insisting that all LGBT movements in their domestic sphere are Western NGOs and what have you. I said "Why ban LGBT demonstrations and not just blanket ban Western NGOs if that's what you're worried about?" And then they used this tortured logic where "actually we're super nice to gays over here
as long as they keep it in the bedroomit's just that LGBT is a western acronym and that's how you know it's a Western imported movement meant to destabilize us."if :inshallah-script: USA/NATO/EU collapsed and was scattered to the four winds these motherfuckers would still blame LGBT as being a western psy op the same way American officials pretend every communist is some kind of fly that burst forth from the corpse of the USSR.
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i never forget this.
waiting for it...
this isn't "western culture" considering "western culture" is still frothing at the mouth with LGBTphobia. We just had a mass shooting this week. Don't Ask Don't Tell existed until very recently. Gay marriage didn't happen until this century. Anti-sodomy laws are still on the books in the USA. Deliberate conflation of LGBT people with pedophiles is a constant problem. Just because :porky-happy: uses LGBT rights as a fake justification for imperialism doesn't mean LGBT rights has ever been the tip of the spear of western imperialism. I'm tired of imperialists using human rights as a thin justification for what they do because it causes this brain poisoned thinking. If America is falsely claiming to bomb brown people on behalf of LGBT it doesn't justify mistreating LGBT as a response to western imperialism. European Colonialism during the age of exploration saw vast purges of indigenous LGBT in the very same regions where domestic conservative forces now claim that LGBT is some kind of western import. LGBT rights isn't erasure of indigenous culture, and it isn't western imperialism. It is merely an excuse used by Western imperialists to justify their behavior. I used Marx in China as an example for a reason. Why is that not seen as Western influence but LGBT is? It seems like a selective justification of bigotry rather than a real argument.
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i understand now, thanks for clearing that up
It's because old people are homophobic idk what you want
lol i always think that one is extra rich because nearly everyone over 50 on my mom's side of the family is :gator-bi:
I'm glad you have a cool family, a lot of us dont. Where I live, trusting someone over the age of30 to not bea homophobe can actually be a death sentence.
Apologies. I had thought you were partly joking since "old people are homophobic" while often true, was a bit of a non-sequitur that had little to do with me talking about LGBTphobes in the imperial periphery using fake anti-imperialism as a justification for LGBTphobia. The "idk what you want" at the end also made me think you were joking.
I also don't think it's simply a generational divide. There are plenty of older LGBT people and plenty of younger LGBTphobes and the perceived causes and effects of LGBTphobia are different from country to country which was mainly what I was talking about: The relation between western think tanks using LGBT rights as a fake justification for imperialism and reactionaries outside the imperial core using the perception of these think tanks as a fake justification for LGBTphobia.
As far as I know a lot of anti-LGBT sentiment actually came from European colonialism, which makes this whole thing doubly ridiculous.