I want to state up first I get it, I'm on the right side, most of these men are awful, and every man-o-sphere influence is awful. Andrew Tate belongs in a 6 foot deep hole, or a hole in the back of his head. Joe Rogan should be sent to the Hague.

But when dudes complain, even about genuine issues, we have a tendency to just attack them for it. If a guy complains that being short can kinda suck (and it can. More so than just getting girls, it can hurt your career and everything.) People, even leftists, tend to just call them a sad manlet or something. Same thing with dudes complaining they can't get a girlfriend, are they not alienated under capitalism? I'm not saying we have to coddle the incels, but we could do better at presenting a future, a better one, maybe?

The discourse about height, and dick size, are both stupid but here (in this safe space) can I admit that there's a point to both? They affect people, it's a real thing.

And back to the Joe Rogan's, I feel bad that men and boys get sucked into that. I have some pity for them, these desperate losers.

Anyways, Im sure I'm going to think this is dumb, but I just can't help but feel like there's a gigantic community of extremely disaffected people that while I mostly loathe, I also really feel bad for. I don't think it would've taken much to push me there, I grew up in a good environment with some good role models, but without that, left to the wolves, I'm as susceptible to the grifters as everyone is.

    • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I thought he was just some dumbass who takes steroids and has a podcast.

      one of the biggest mistakes people make in assessing the political character of public figures is to imagine that what they do is simply "neutral" by default and that it would require some effort on their part to play a reactionary role. But when American society is fundamentally reactionary, capitalist, imperialist, colonialist, racist, and plagued by all kinds of phobias towards marginalized groups, then someone like Joe Rogan plays a reactionary role simply by sitting around and talking. Whether he realizes it or not, the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class. His audience defends him by saying he lets on "both left wing and right wing people." But if you notice, the farthest "left" people he lets on are Social Democratic people like Kyle Kulinski and libertarian whistleblowers like Edward Snowden. He lets on far more right wing influencers than left wing influencers by default, but most of who he has on are simply capitalists. Celebrities, athletes, CEOs. These are by default going to be members of the bourgeoisie who have a heavy stake in maintaining the status quo. He also lets on CIA assets like Yeonmi Park. And Joe Rogan himself being a multi billion dollar business owner who advertises products, is himself bourgeoisie. Even if he had never said anything prejudiced (which he did) he is fundamentally just a capitalist.

      • alcoholicorn [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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        2 years ago

        I'm not defending the guy, just surprised someone would say he deserves the Hague for promoting right-wing views, since that would include like 99% of influencers.

        And Joe Rogan himself being a multi billion dollar business owner who advertises products, is himself bourgeoisie

        Is there a term for someone with the relations of a petite bourgeoisie but capital greater than a good chunk of the bourgeoisie, like Kanye and Rogan?

        • grey_wolf_whenever [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I’m not defending the guy, just surprised someone would say he deserves the Hague for promoting right-wing views, since that would include like 99% of influencers.

          In that case maybe there's something to examine about the fact that talking about men's issues in left spaces requires a disclaimer the size of a wall?

    • grey_wolf_whenever [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Okay, maybe that was hyperbole. Replace Joe Rogan with any other men's rights idiot. Jordan Peterson is a good choice.

    • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I thought he was just some dumbass who takes steroids and has a podcast.

      CW Racism

      EDIT: apologies for the weird thing inserted at the end, I couldn't find the original unedited clip