I hate to be the one to say it, but this is the way these things 'naturally grow'. Hell, we only pinged other users in r/cth and if they showed up we'd dunk on them and that was still called brigading.
Attempting to differentiate between when someone stumbles upon something and posts it to the_dunk_tank or if they stumble upon it 'organically' is a fool's game. They are both organic forum posting processes. It is just that one is 'approved' and one is 'forbidden' for arbitrary reasons (in general it is caused by lax moderation standards, which if you are on top of make it easy to deal with actual posting brigades).
Also, complaining about upvotes is the most lame-ass thing I can imagine. Oh noes, my opinion isn't popular?!? Better become a psycho about it.
Edit: also if you posted at all in r/cth, no matter the ratio of posts there (I migrated over there after years of reddit posting) you would be called a cth bot or shill or whatever the insult of the day was if you posted outside of it, eventually leaving you posting to r/cth and it's derivatives because it was the only place you could have any kind of productive conversation, as unproductive as it mostly was.
Attempting to differentiate between when someone stumbles upon something and posts it to the_dunk_tank or if they stumble upon it 'organically' is a fool's game. They are both organic forum posting processes. It is just that one is 'approved' and one is 'forbidden' for arbitrary reasons
it's very easy to differentiate when you can go to hexbear.net and see a link posted. This is a website; everything in the construction and interface is arbitrary -- what matters is how it makes users feel. If too many users feel that it's unfair, that we're not acting in good faith, they'll want us out.
in general it is caused by lax moderation standards, which if you are on top of make it easy to deal with actual posting brigades
we shouldn't be the cause of more stress and work for neighbor moderators.
They will feel like it's unfair if we don't bow and scrape to their shitty, poorly thought out, opinions. That is not an 'us' problem. If they feel it's unfair, they should dogpile us. It should be easy, they have way more users than us. Except they can't, because our moderation team is actually good at what they do (arguably too good as in the beginning they were deleting stuff from very confused libs wandering through here rather than letting us shit on then).
Us posting doesn't cause them stress, their own community constantly complaining about us posting is what is causing them stress, which again, they will do regardless of what we post or how we post it. I'm not suggesting we go in and ppb and 'hog out' on every bad opinion, but we are allowed to express ourselves according to their rules. As I've said multiple times federation or de-federation doesn't matter to me, as in general I will not be leaving this instance, as there is very little point, but moral patronizing forum etiquette is incredibly reddit behavior. If you want to post there forever, make another account.
just trying to think about this strategically. Like, if we're gonna do federation, we should make a solid go of it. But yeah, ultimately it doesn't matter.
Frankly, I'm not sure we can be contained. Pandora's box is open.
Yeah, probably. Though, we shouldn't fertilize any grudges. Let them grow naturally, and they'll be all the sweeter for it.
I hate to be the one to say it, but this is the way these things 'naturally grow'. Hell, we only pinged other users in r/cth and if they showed up we'd dunk on them and that was still called brigading.
Attempting to differentiate between when someone stumbles upon something and posts it to the_dunk_tank or if they stumble upon it 'organically' is a fool's game. They are both organic forum posting processes. It is just that one is 'approved' and one is 'forbidden' for arbitrary reasons (in general it is caused by lax moderation standards, which if you are on top of make it easy to deal with actual posting brigades).
Also, complaining about upvotes is the most lame-ass thing I can imagine. Oh noes, my opinion isn't popular?!? Better become a psycho about it.
Edit: also if you posted at all in r/cth, no matter the ratio of posts there (I migrated over there after years of reddit posting) you would be called a cth bot or shill or whatever the insult of the day was if you posted outside of it, eventually leaving you posting to r/cth and it's derivatives because it was the only place you could have any kind of productive conversation, as unproductive as it mostly was.
it's very easy to differentiate when you can go to hexbear.net and see a link posted. This is a website; everything in the construction and interface is arbitrary -- what matters is how it makes users feel. If too many users feel that it's unfair, that we're not acting in good faith, they'll want us out.
we shouldn't be the cause of more stress and work for neighbor moderators.
They will feel like it's unfair if we don't bow and scrape to their shitty, poorly thought out, opinions. That is not an 'us' problem. If they feel it's unfair, they should dogpile us. It should be easy, they have way more users than us. Except they can't, because our moderation team is actually good at what they do (arguably too good as in the beginning they were deleting stuff from very confused libs wandering through here rather than letting us shit on then).
Us posting doesn't cause them stress, their own community constantly complaining about us posting is what is causing them stress, which again, they will do regardless of what we post or how we post it. I'm not suggesting we go in and ppb and 'hog out' on every bad opinion, but we are allowed to express ourselves according to their rules. As I've said multiple times federation or de-federation doesn't matter to me, as in general I will not be leaving this instance, as there is very little point, but moral patronizing forum etiquette is incredibly reddit behavior. If you want to post there forever, make another account.
just trying to think about this strategically. Like, if we're gonna do federation, we should make a solid go of it. But yeah, ultimately it doesn't matter.
:meow-hug: best wishes
I've just been through this rigmarole before, so I generally don't see the need to bother with it. Thanks, though! You as well!