Still, misleading title, he's not proposing a war. Could it potentially lead to war? Yeah but it's very, very unlikely Mexico would actually declare war on America.
What the fuck do you think putting your military into another country uninvited is? What the fuck are you doing quibbling over "potentially" a war or not? What you're essentially saying here is that you're ok with it as long if Mexico cowers and doesn't fight back.
This is a disgusting level of nationalism. You're already making excuses for america.
I never said I wasn't against this, I'm merely saying the title should've been something like, "Ron DeSantis proposes uninvited drone strikes on Mexican cartel"
How dare you shove my words back into my mouth! I wasn't endorsing it! I was merely using Bush era talking points to obscure the reality of those actions and diminish their impact!
The United States is not an arbiter of which Mexicans are to be extrajudicially executed by drone strikes. You're acting like a coward who's only too happy the Mexicans are too weak to strike back.
Yes, you know that the US can do almost anything it wants and that it won't trigger a war with Mexico. It can sanction thousands or millions to death by starvation and lack of medical supplies. It can bomb people. It can seize and occupy territory if it really wants to. Not because the US wouldn't be waging war then, but because the Mexicans and the rest of latin america are too weak to fight back. And in knowing this you can then claim that, actually, 'this is misleading 4/5 pinocchios Ron DeSantis only wants the right to do a little gunboat diplomacy with capital punishment characteristics and that's not really a war'.
I'm sure that if China drone bombed someone in New York the Americans would be super chill about it.
The US hasn't declared a war since WW2, they've still gone to war. Neither the US nor Libya declared war on each other but it still counts as a war when the US bombs the absolute shit out of a country.
Well yeah, you OBJECTIVELY can't call what happened in Libya a "war". It was bad and unnecessary, but by definition, not a war... You did not have US troops fighting Libyan troops.
You're fighting with the air. I very clearly said Libya wasn't ok.
You're right, massacres aren't battles and we shouldn't call them that. Of course that doesn't make it any better but why call it a battle if it's not?
Ok I'm gonna be honest I'm probably wrong, I was thinking semantically but googling that was a surprise for me. Just didn't want the hexbears to be right.
Its cool that you admitted you just didn't want anyone from hexbear to be right. That takes a lot of insight. You should consider opening your mind now to the possibility that you could be wrong about much more. You reflexive distaste for hexbear probably has more to do with your own cognitive dissonance than whether our opinions are wrong. Most of the people (bots) on hexbear were (are) libs too, but at some point opened their minds and began to approach history, political-economy, and current events with a more critical eye.
Of course, I forgot when you call it something other than war then it's not a war! That's why we have the Korean Police Action, the Vietnam Police Action, the Police Actions in Panama and Grenada, Desert Police Action 1 & 2 in Iraq, and the Global Police Action on Terror! None of those were wars, right?
Mexico isn't fucking inviting the US to do it. They want the US to fuck off.
Still, misleading title, he's not proposing a war. Could it potentially lead to war? Yeah but it's very, very unlikely Mexico would actually declare war on America.
What the fuck do you think putting your military into another country uninvited is? What the fuck are you doing quibbling over "potentially" a war or not? What you're essentially saying here is that you're ok with it as long if Mexico cowers and doesn't fight back.
This is a disgusting level of nationalism. You're already making excuses for america.
Typical hexbears to shove words down throats.
I never said I wasn't against this, I'm merely saying the title should've been something like, "Ron DeSantis proposes uninvited drone strikes on Mexican cartel"
"The American Supreme Court gives individual states the right to choose in reversal of Roe vs Wade"
Obviously different and you know it.
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How dare you shove my words back into my mouth! I wasn't endorsing it! I was merely using Bush era talking points to obscure the reality of those actions and diminish their impact!
Why should a title help obscure the reality of calling to commit acts of war against our neighbor
The United States is not an arbiter of which Mexicans are to be extrajudicially executed by drone strikes. You're acting like a coward who's only too happy the Mexicans are too weak to strike back.
Buddy all I'm saying is the title is misleading. I'm obviously against the US bombing Mexican cartels, I just don't think it's going to start a war.
If you think the US would be disciplined about only attacking cartels after seeing the War on Terror, I have a bridge to sell you
oooooo what kind
does it come in purple
Yes, you know that the US can do almost anything it wants and that it won't trigger a war with Mexico. It can sanction thousands or millions to death by starvation and lack of medical supplies. It can bomb people. It can seize and occupy territory if it really wants to. Not because the US wouldn't be waging war then, but because the Mexicans and the rest of latin america are too weak to fight back. And in knowing this you can then claim that, actually, 'this is misleading 4/5 pinocchios Ron DeSantis only wants the right to do a little gunboat diplomacy with capital punishment characteristics and that's not really a war'.
I'm sure that if China drone bombed someone in New York the Americans would be super chill about it.
dude you said it would be no loss to do so, since they're cartels
you ain't fooling no one
when you order your military to blow up people in another country that doesn't want you to do that, I'd say its pretty close to a war.
Honestly you're a liberal so I never expected you to be smart but this is next level idiocy
no, BEYOND next level, stratosphere shit
The US hasn't declared a war since WW2, they've still gone to war. Neither the US nor Libya declared war on each other but it still counts as a war when the US bombs the absolute shit out of a country.
"War" implies the US and Mexico mutually fighting. Libya was military intervention not war.
A Special Military Operation, if you will.
checkmate! it can’t be called a war if we simply lob misiles at a country and arm every lunatic we find, completely destroying it in the process
Well yeah, you OBJECTIVELY can't call what happened in Libya a "war". It was bad and unnecessary, but by definition, not a war... You did not have US troops fighting Libyan troops.
So because the US troops were using weapons the Libyan troops couldn't effectively fight back against, it doesn't count as a war?
"It wasn't a battle, it was a just a massacre, so it's OK"
You're fighting with the air. I very clearly said Libya wasn't ok.
You're right, massacres aren't battles and we shouldn't call them that. Of course that doesn't make it any better but why call it a battle if it's not?
So if Libyan forces had managed to shoot down a western bomber, you would consider it a war?
Only when the US and Libya officially declare war on each other is it war.
The US hasn't declared war on anyone since WWII is it your opinion that it had not been at war since then?
Ok I'm gonna be honest I'm probably wrong, I was thinking semantically but googling that was a surprise for me. Just didn't want the hexbears to be right.
Try to be open to new perspectives
Its cool that you admitted you just didn't want anyone from hexbear to be right. That takes a lot of insight. You should consider opening your mind now to the possibility that you could be wrong about much more. You reflexive distaste for hexbear probably has more to do with your own cognitive dissonance than whether our opinions are wrong. Most of the people (bots) on hexbear were (are) libs too, but at some point opened their minds and began to approach history, political-economy, and current events with a more critical eye.
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Are us pilots not us troops?
Of course, I forgot when you call it something other than war then it's not a war! That's why we have the Korean Police Action, the Vietnam Police Action, the Police Actions in Panama and Grenada, Desert Police Action 1 & 2 in Iraq, and the Global Police Action on Terror! None of those were wars, right?
Oh my god dude. Come on.
And the russian invasion in ukraine is just a military operation right? Or does that not apply now?