This is an admin post, intended for blahaj lemmy users. Top level posts from members of other instances will be removed.
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After recent events, it feels to me that sentiment has shifted and more people are asking for defederation of hexbear than previously.
I've been doing my best to try and mend bridges and keep us connected, as it's my hope that we can maintain trans solidarity and work with them, despite the friction, however, ultimately, I feel that this is an issue for the blahaj lemmy community to decide, not the admins alone.
So here's what we're going to do.
We're going to leave things as they are for a week. That will give time for things to calm down whilst we see if we can work together. After a week, I'll put up a vote and get a feel for where the community is at in regards to our continued federation with hexbear. That poll will run for a week. If there is a strong will to defederate (a clear majority), then that's what we will do.
Does the fact that they have a community dedicated to organizing dogpiling and brigading not bother you?
Does it only bother you that they used it on you?
I don't mind that they have a community to highlight what they consider to be "bad takes". Hell, we have communities like that here, like "Are The Straights OK?" and "Bad Women's Anatomy" etc.
The issue is when it crosses the line and becomes a source of harassment. I am hoping that the latter has been resolved, but we will see
Both the communities you list have rules about being civil/not brigading.
"The dunk tank" rules explicitly say you need to link to source and the point of the community is "This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes."
I'd say that's a pretty big difference in purpose of the community.
Screenshot of their rules, with modlist cropped off.
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The thing you just quoted was written years before Hexbear federated. It is absolutely not an indication that the community is for "brigading" other instances.
Then the rules need to be revised to make that clear. It certainly encouraged brigade behavior, whether that was intended by the community moderators or not
The admin on Hexbear added this rule in their recent update post:
I think this covers it well.
The the whole “dunk on a lib” community should be banned, right?
Why are you asking me?
Also, you’re the person that started this whole mess by comparing a bunch of leftist queer people to T_D. I think that’s an incredibly inflammatory thing to have said, and I’m not surprised their users felt they needed to defend themselves. That doesn’t excuse the worst of what was posted. But I saw a lot of top-level comments from trans users defending the space in a reasonable way.
As for that community, as long as they aren’t linking to posts then what right do you or I have to decide if it should exist? If they want to post screenshots with names censored and have their discussion on their instance, I don’t see any issues with that.
I will admit that it was poorly written, but if you read what I said it was that the VIBE was like T_D. And I stand by that. They’re intentionally inflammatory vibes based politics. And I love that for them, but I don’t want any community that celebrates “dunking” on anyone around me. I highly tailored my Reddit use specifically to avoid assholes like that because it makes for discourse shitty.
You stand by the fact that you compared a bunch of queer people to a group of our violent oppressors? Trans children are being legally kidnapped in Florida by Republicans. I’m sorry, but as an Australian, I think you’re a removed. Queer Solidarity is more important than ever right now.
Not sure if you read the entirety of what I wrote or just reacted, but there’s no need for name calling.
If you have something better I could compare the vibe on hexbear, I’d be open to it, but that was the only place I’ve seen that engages in intentionally inflammatory meme-based vibes politics in the same way hexbear does. That kind of discourse is not the kind of discourse I want around blahaj. And they did a LOT of it in the original post for this.
And yes, queer solidarity is important, but only to people who are willing to return the respect needed for solidarity.
If a trans person punches me in the face every time I see them, me saying “well I need to keep them around because of queer solidarity” makes me an idiot. Of course I wouldn’t want to have them around, they keep punching me in the face!
From our perspective, your instance has plenty of leftists who could also appreciate that slop like we do.
I don't think they mean it like it's written but I could be wrong here.
And if you're curious the uncensored name is the name of one of their admins.
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Edit: And the comment from said admin is still up, with higher up votes than when I screenshot it last night.
We absolutely do not lol
The dunk tank community is pretty damn close to that. Even if that's not the primary purpose it certainly caused hexbear users to dogpile on the first post and to attack Ada.