https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2135509

this is practically a child’s view of the world. good guy vs bad guy. Russia = bad, NATO = good. plus, someone should tell her she has it completely backwards: ending russia is kinda natos entire thing

  • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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    11 months ago

    Russia is clearly the aggressor in this case.

    Why did Ukraine break two seperate ceasefires with the seperatist regions? If they didn't this wouldn't be a problem.

    I'm not sure why people are whole-hog against NATO when there's a more imminent threat against world peace pounding on the door of its neighbors.

    Because you're wrong and NATO is the much larger threat, demonstrated through their whole bloody history.

    Y'know, the same one that was found to have directly affected the election of the US.

    US allies also spend similar amounts or greater on advertisements around the US election. Russiagate was kind of just xenophobia applied to something everyone has been doing.

    Maybe once Putin keels over we can dissolve NATO.

    Oh, okay, you're operating on great man theory and not material analysis. This makes your content make sense.

    • stratoscaster@lemmy.zip
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      11 months ago

      "The official Twitter account of the Donetsk rebels said in the early hours of Sunday that its forces were "taking Mariupol", but later accused Ukraine of breaking the ceasefire. Fighters from the Azov battalion, who are defending the town, said their positions had come under Grad rocket fire.

      Earlier on Saturday the truce had appeared to be holding, with only minor violations reported, as hopes mounted that the deal struck in Minsk on Friday could bring an end to the violence that has left more than 2,000 dead in recent months.

      Both sides accused the other of violating the ceasefire, but there did not appear to be any serious exchanges of fire and no casualties were reported."

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/06/eastern-ukraine-ceasefire-russia

      " The war began in April 2014 when armed Russian-backed separatists seized government buildings and the Ukrainian military launched an operation against them. It continued until it was subsumed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022."

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)

      At least be correct about what you're citing. Russian backed separatists claim to be "taking Mariupol" and then backtrack with "oh no! We didn't break the ceasefire! I promise! ".

      • Vncredleader [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Love using twitter as Casus Belli and waving the bloody shirt of literal Nazis. Also the Guardian being your basis for these events is so fucking telling

        • stratoscaster@lemmy.zip
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          11 months ago

          Please enlighten me as to how an official account for a separatist group declaring they're attacking is not cause for retaliation.

          Russia is literally a fascist government.

          • Vncredleader [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            Either you don't understand what a fascist is or you don't know what literally means.

            Also a tweet is not the same as a formal declaration, but more than that your idea of when a war starts is AFTER genocidal policies and the crushing of self determination. The war started during Maidan, the separation was in response to something. History is not just good actors and bad actors. And yet despite viewing it as such you still manage to simp and accept at face value literal fascists. Azov are literal Nazis, let you treat them as innocent defenders. Go ahead and support the OUN why don't you?