That's understandable. If you weren't around the forum culture of like, 1999 and watched the evolution of the term as people shared the page from the link, then all you really have is resources like urban dictionary.
2003
I might be playing a bit fast and loose with the time.
Fair enough. I still can't fathom how it can possibly be seen as racist (especially not today), but I'll take your word for it.
It's crazy to me how many normal words and phrases are racist in the US. When I started spending time there, my girlfriend at the time was basically like my walking urban dictionary for strange new racist expressions that I'd never heard before.
I'm very disappointed in this one though. I love that word, and there's no synonyms.
Fair enough. I still can't fathom how it can possibly be seen as racist (especially not today), but I'll take your word for it.
It's like the word for "swindle" or "con" that's just the first syllable of the g-slur for Romani people. Sure, you learned it slightly detached from being an outright slur, but the roots of the word still are what they are.
It's crazy to me how many normal words and phrases are racist in the US.
This country was literally constructed out of racism. Probably everything dates back to some slur or racist policy here.
car people generally like the cars that have suffered such terrible mods
Even if it were true that it has racist origins, the meaning is completely inverted today.
So it hasn't actually inverted meaning in 'race' culture. It isn't a compliment. It's used ironically to perhaps subvert the meaning. 'So bad it's good' isn't an inverted meaning, it re-enforces the original and relys on it to understand it's ironic use.
Show any examples of it being used a compliment in car culture completely detached from its racist origins.
All the examples so far are dehumanising, connected to referring to Asians and their products as rice-powered machines. A new backronym made up to whitewash racism doesn't count. Ignorance of racism doesn't count. Folk etymology about how versatile rice is in cooking and how many cultures eat rice are trying to justify a slur after the fact.
Genuinely open to other examples, have not seen any evidence to the contrary. Even in customising desktop environments, it's neutral at best and not a compliment.
If you won't stop using the word, you should be more than a little sad.
So it hasn’t actually inverted meaning in ‘race’ culture. It isn’t a compliment. It’s used ironically to perhaps subvert the meaning. ‘So bad it’s good’ isn’t an inverted meaning, it re-enforces the original and relys on it to understand it’s ironic use.
You seem to be willfully missing my point. I'm going to bow out of this now.
A generation of people have grown up knowing this word only as a play on the word race.
Yes, I can absolutely see some Kyle Rittenhouse getting out of a punisher-clad Mustang or a Challenger at Cars & Coffee and meaning it as an innocent wordplay on "racecar" to refer to a tilty wheel Miata.
A large percentage of car enthusaists are some of the most brainwormed reactionaries you'll find in any hobby short of firearms.
I'm not comparing you to anything, I'm saying that folks like us make up a relatively small portion of the culture. Podcast brain meant I was compelled to word it sarcastically, and I apologize if you misunderstood.
Absolute last word on the subject. I think the Rittenhouse in your scenario can substitute the word Asian and have it come across just as racist. You can weaponise pretty much any word. I think this one has long since been reclaimed (I'm still not completely convinced it was ever racist).
See if you can spot the difference between "I'm gay and taking back the word 'queer' is empowering to me" and "I'm not Asian but I'm going to continue to use slurs against them, just not on this instance and that makes me sad."
That's understandable. If you weren't around the forum culture of like, 1999 and watched the evolution of the term as people shared the page from the link, then all you really have is resources like urban dictionary.
I might be playing a bit fast and loose with the time.
Fair enough. I still can't fathom how it can possibly be seen as racist (especially not today), but I'll take your word for it.
It's crazy to me how many normal words and phrases are racist in the US. When I started spending time there, my girlfriend at the time was basically like my walking urban dictionary for strange new racist expressions that I'd never heard before.
I'm very disappointed in this one though. I love that word, and there's no synonyms.
It's like the word for "swindle" or "con" that's just the first syllable of the g-slur for Romani people. Sure, you learned it slightly detached from being an outright slur, but the roots of the word still are what they are.
This country was literally constructed out of racism. Probably everything dates back to some slur or racist policy here.
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So it hasn't actually inverted meaning in 'race' culture. It isn't a compliment. It's used ironically to perhaps subvert the meaning. 'So bad it's good' isn't an inverted meaning, it re-enforces the original and relys on it to understand it's ironic use.
Show any examples of it being used a compliment in car culture completely detached from its racist origins.
All the examples so far are dehumanising, connected to referring to Asians and their products as rice-powered machines. A new backronym made up to whitewash racism doesn't count. Ignorance of racism doesn't count. Folk etymology about how versatile rice is in cooking and how many cultures eat rice are trying to justify a slur after the fact.
Genuinely open to other examples, have not seen any evidence to the contrary. Even in customising desktop environments, it's neutral at best and not a compliment.
If you won't stop using the word, you should be more than a little sad.
You seem to be willfully missing my point. I'm going to bow out of this now.
Yes, I can absolutely see some Kyle Rittenhouse getting out of a punisher-clad Mustang or a Challenger at Cars & Coffee and meaning it as an innocent wordplay on "racecar" to refer to a tilty wheel Miata.
A large percentage of car enthusaists are some of the most brainwormed reactionaries you'll find in any hobby short of firearms.
I like guns too btw. I'm going to try to ignore the made up scenario where you compare me to Rittenhouse and get on with my queer life.
I'm not comparing you to anything, I'm saying that folks like us make up a relatively small portion of the culture. Podcast brain meant I was compelled to word it sarcastically, and I apologize if you misunderstood.
I see. It's okay then.
Absolute last word on the subject. I think the Rittenhouse in your scenario can substitute the word Asian and have it come across just as racist. You can weaponise pretty much any word. I think this one has long since been reclaimed (I'm still not completely convinced it was ever racist).
See if you can spot the difference between "I'm gay and taking back the word 'queer' is empowering to me" and "I'm not Asian but I'm going to continue to use slurs against them, just not on this instance and that makes me sad."