When asked whether they believe their country is democratic, those in China topped the list, with some 83% saying the communist-led People's Republic was a democracy. A resounding 91% said that democracy is important to them.
But in the U.S., which touts itself as a global beacon of democracy, only 49% of those asked said their country was a democracy. And just over three-quarters of respondents, 76%, said democracy was important.
Well, let's just say it wouldn't have surprised me. But I wasn't expecting you to just readily concede that the US's "level of freedom" is no better than that of China. Especially right after you just used that as a reason why China was "bad," specifically when compared to the US. But if you really are able to see that now, congrats, for real.
Like the level of freedom the largest prisoner population in the world has? The prisoner population which is largely minorities, which work as slave labour in the United States Prison Industrial complex? That kinda freedoms?
More democratic than the US. The US has an electoral college system explicitly designed to make electing a president undemocratic. In Korea they vote for each equivalent of a cabinet position instead of letting the president just appoint all of them. https://www.ncnk.org/sites/default/files/DPRK%20constitution%20%282019%29.pdf
If this shocks you, remember that Americans are the most propagandized people in the history of the world
To the degree that Korea isn't free, it's is because they've spent their entire existence at war with the largest and most powerful global empire in history and have been cut off from international trade.
The US isn't free because it's a fascist state. The Korean peninsula isn't free also because the US is a fascist state.
Now let's hear your next vapid quip that's supposed to mean more than objective facts and inarguable history, redditor. I don't want you to lose even a bit of steam acting like you're the smartest person in the room while displaying no knowledge about anything.
This would have the content of an actually valuable conversation if you could figure out how to ask questions without making their purpose to come off as incredulous and incurious as you are right now.
It's literally in Mein Kampf. Lebensraum is explicitly intended to be a mirroring of the US doing westward expansion into land held by native tribes. In his writings he made the comparison all the time. It's not a secret unless you had an American education.
They even had illustrated children's books writing a new national mythos along the same lines as cowboys and indians. The United States is Nazi Germany 200 years after Hitler won the war.
Original brainchild for Lebensraum explicitly points to Manifest Destiny: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/lebensraum. You can slap "lebensraum" and "manifest destiny" into google and also see the results for yourself. I admit say I'm not a well of primary nazi sources if that doesn't satisfy you.
The citation wasn't the state, it was the people, or are you going to take such an immensely condescending attitude towards the approximately 1 billion people represented in that survey as believing they live in a democracy?
Oh man if only we could interact with these 1 billion people. If only there wasn't a firewall keeping them all contained where all their media is run by the state.
That's a bit of a non-sequitur in this instance don't you think? We're not talking about what the name of a place is, but rather how the two countries' citizenry feel about their respective governments.
I thought we were talking about China? Are we just saying things now?
Chile used to be democratic until a US coup murdered the social democratic president elected by the people, and replaced him with a fascist mass-murderer.
The united states has the largest prison population in the world.
The US hasn't won a war since 1945
https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
Ya I will take the people of china's word on this one.
yes and North Korea is democratic because it says they are.
China is not North Korea.
It took less then 2 minutes from my post for you to reply. You clearly didn't even open the link. You just instantly changed the subject matter. Lol
Ah, hexbear users still struggling with federation, so cute!
Post times are different per instance, my he/him, I looked through your article, and it didn't really wow me.
China is authoritarian, filled with mass propaganda and nationalism, of course they're going to think they're great.
I literally got a notification when they replied. in real time...
I know when I made my comment... less then 2 minutes before I got a notification...
Tell me more about how the lemmy works. I have only been here 4 years.
Good bye, agent.
oh SHIT. THEY'RE ONTO ME.
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Yo we got that too in America.
Oh every country has it!
So why is that what makes China so bad? Like most things China is accused doing of the US has done worse.
It's about the levels of freedoms.
Oh, like the freedom the US provides for me to die homeless in a ditch because I can't afford my cancer treatments? Rah rah USA!
yes, the US is also shit, well done
You said:
I explain via personal example why the level of freedom is better in China and your response is "yes, the US is also shit." Well done indeed.
Can you follow conversations irl, or are you just like this right now because it's hard for you to have your prejudices shown to be full of shit?
what, were you expecting me to defend the US?
Well, let's just say it wouldn't have surprised me. But I wasn't expecting you to just readily concede that the US's "level of freedom" is no better than that of China. Especially right after you just used that as a reason why China was "bad," specifically when compared to the US. But if you really are able to see that now, congrats, for real.
You already did with your 'levels of freedom' remark, we're expecting you to explain your defense now.
Like the level of freedom the largest prisoner population in the world has? The prisoner population which is largely minorities, which work as slave labour in the United States Prison Industrial complex? That kinda freedoms?
Levels of freedom by what metric? Prisoner population? Oh wait, let me guess, skin pigmentation?
Good thing you're immune to it!
More democratic than the US. The US has an electoral college system explicitly designed to make electing a president undemocratic. In Korea they vote for each equivalent of a cabinet position instead of letting the president just appoint all of them. https://www.ncnk.org/sites/default/files/DPRK%20constitution%20%282019%29.pdf
If this shocks you, remember that Americans are the most propagandized people in the history of the world
Way to compare one of the least free countries with... one of the least free countries.
now do Japan.
To the degree that Korea isn't free, it's is because they've spent their entire existence at war with the largest and most powerful global empire in history and have been cut off from international trade.
The US isn't free because it's a fascist state. The Korean peninsula isn't free also because the US is a fascist state.
Now let's hear your next vapid quip that's supposed to mean more than objective facts and inarguable history, redditor. I don't want you to lose even a bit of steam acting like you're the smartest person in the room while displaying no knowledge about anything.
So the US is fascist, but China isn't fascist? How's that lil' diddie work?
Lol you did the vapid quip thing
How is the country that inspired Hitler's entire ideology fascist? How is a state run by a communist party not fascist?
Wow really dealing with the reddit brain trust here, aren't I?
The US inspired Hitler? Really now? How's that one work?
This would have the content of an actually valuable conversation if you could figure out how to ask questions without making their purpose to come off as incredulous and incurious as you are right now.
It's literally in Mein Kampf. Lebensraum is explicitly intended to be a mirroring of the US doing westward expansion into land held by native tribes. In his writings he made the comparison all the time. It's not a secret unless you had an American education.
They even had illustrated children's books writing a new national mythos along the same lines as cowboys and indians. The United States is Nazi Germany 200 years after Hitler won the war.
He cites Manifest Destiny as what the German people should do to eastern Europe and allegedly based the brownshirts on the KKK.
Do you have a source?
Original brainchild for Lebensraum explicitly points to Manifest Destiny: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/lebensraum. You can slap "lebensraum" and "manifest destiny" into google and also see the results for yourself. I admit say I'm not a well of primary nazi sources if that doesn't satisfy you.
Oh, interesting, thank you!
Zyklon B was used to "delouse" Mexican immigrants at the southern border before it was ever used in Nazi death camps.
IBM built the computers that Germany used to track their Jewish population.
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yes, the united states is not a democracy either, well done
The citation wasn't the state, it was the people, or are you going to take such an immensely condescending attitude towards the approximately 1 billion people represented in that survey as believing they live in a democracy?
Oh man if only we could interact with these 1 billion people. If only there wasn't a firewall keeping them all contained where all their media is run by the state.
150 million tourists visit China yearly...
hey, respond to the vpn comment you made
Right away. It might take a few hours due to server time differences.
Anyone can download a VPN it's literally free on the App store. 👍
Aw sweet!
now why do we need a VPN to access Chinese Internet? 🤔
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Whataboutism
oh you not gonna whataboutism mentioning the US?
Also whataboutism
thanks pal
😘
That's a bit of a non-sequitur in this instance don't you think? We're not talking about what the name of a place is, but rather how the two countries' citizenry feel about their respective governments.
So isn't it good that the US people don't trust their government?
I wish that US people didn't trust their government, especially when their government tells them that other countries are pure evil and need bombing.
I thought we were talking about China? Are we just saying things now?
Chile used to be democratic until a US coup murdered the social democratic president elected by the people, and replaced him with a fascist mass-murderer.
The united states has the largest prison population in the world.
The US hasn't won a war since 1945