If so, was it polled somewhere?
shut up, i see a hundred people complaining about hexbear for every post i see from them and have never seen them misbehaving. for all the hater's claims of red fascism or harassment it sure seems like the complaining is ideological rather than based on interactions with their users.
lots of cowardly downvoters with no comments only leads me to believe i am right. i would argue the same thing for a conservative instance. it seems to me there are a lot of folks acting in bad faith with baseless accusations. if you are looking for an echo chamber and dramatizing civilized discourse maybe you should go back to reddit
Please understand that I’m being completely sincere when I say that, judging from your post history, you should seriously consider taking a break from the internet to deal with your anger issues. When you spend your time lashing out at other people because of the instance they use, complaining about protests that are trying to prevent the implementation of policies which contribute to climate change, and hoping that other countries get destroyed by nuclear weapons because you don’t like their leaders, the only thing you’re accomplishing is increasing your chances of getting a heart attack
It's alarming how I can tell when I've left Hexbear by the ableism and slurs.
I don't know y'all considered crazy a slur. Sorry
Edit: considered not confused
You really don't have to come to the defense of a post your mods removed for being bad.
Just accept that it's fine to be rude on the internet, that theres nothing you can do to stop it, and both sides can let this rest. Damn
come on don't censor the goddess of love thats just cringe
No, tax investigation, special devision for cyber crime.
Hexbear recently federated with sh.itjust.works, I don't know if it was polled on your side or what. But on Hexbear's side there was a thread to discuss it.
I don't mind the general hexbear ideology in itself. Sure. You do you.
But, damn, I see more than a few of its members just being obnoxious.
Thank you for being one of only two people in this thread that actually answered the question.
Honestly this whole SJW instance needs to be glassed
Lol I blocked the most annoying posters from hexbear on this thread and now there's hardly any comments. I think we should put them in time out. Like defederate for 15 days. if they keep brigading, another 15 days. I don't really want to defederate, but I hate this kind of brigading.
I appear to be out of the loop. What's wrong with hexbear? I'm not familiar with the instance.
You're not liberals, liberals are centerists, you guys are far, far to the left. Which is fine, but let's not confuse political terms.
we're centrists. we hold the political center between anarchism and Marxism-Leninism.
anyone i’ve ever met claiming to be a centrist was in reality uninformed politically and using the label as a shield for their similarly uninformed takes.
That's the joke. There is no center in the west. As the general political spectrum is inherently right.
we’re centrists. we hold the political center between anarchism and Marxism-Leninism.
Is that an inside joke? Because outside of Hexbear and maybe 1930s Catalonia, "between anarchism and Leninism" is extreme left.
Is that an inside joke?
Answering genuinely, yeah it is lol
That being said, what is considered the "political center" varies a lot from place to place, a lot more than just 1930s Catalonia.
Thank you for being genuinely helpful, unlike your comrades who insulted and posed.
You do see how many of us are being treated though right? Some of us are going in hot, but most are interacting reasonably, then getting slammed with bad faith complaints and accusations,
Its incredibly frustrating, I'm sure you can relate
According to fascists, sure. Just because fascists call us extreme left doesn't mean we aren't actually centrists.
No actually, we're a Hillary Clinton fansite, you may not be but I'm #StillWithHer
It's a bit within Hexbear. Something about the old subreddit and "I'm the only true leftist here" discourse.
I don’t give a shit about your politics. You’re all toxic assholes that just make the internet annoying.
PRODUCTIVITY CHECK: Are you typing this from a public workplace, classroom, dinner table, library, queue, etc? If so, GET YOUR ASS BACK IN GEAR!
Tough to have decades of indoctrination questioned, isn't it?
You're a bunch of 4Chan users cosplaying as leftists and some people don't like that.
Drats! The one true leftist has figured out our ruse! For three whole years we’ve been meticulously crafting a safe space for queer and marginalized people to speak freely without condescension and infantilization from privileged folks, all as a bit, to eventually confuse users of a FOSS Reddit alternative. You got us. Pat yourself on the back. I can’t believe you figured it out.
Wait, it was all a ruse? I have already brought the whole collection of true leftist theory (Harry Potter complete collection) all for nothing?
Yeah, 4chan, known for being vehemently opposed to racism, sexism, homophobia, ableism, and all other forms of bigotry. You can tell we're all 4chan users because of how we're literally the opposite of 4chan users in basically every way.
Right, just like how the Nazis were really socialists because they had "socialist" in the name.
Your actions speak much louder than your words, and from what I've seen, you all love to spout facist and authoritarian ideals. Funny how you all bust out the concern trolling about minority groups and bigotry when called out on your actions, yet never defend these ideals in organic conversations where the topics actually come up.
yet never defend these ideals in organic conversations where the topics actually come up.
did you not see the thread on active most of yesterday where we were en masse screaming at liberals for their conditional support for trans people
out of all things to say about us that is certainly one of them, given that we've mass purged our own userbase multiple times over these issues
we have been on this site for three years before federation with the same strict anti-bigotry culture since the beginning. I wish you guys could realize how fucking wild conspiracies like this sound like to us. Like we were only pretending to be gay marxists to ourselves for three years lmao
We're 4chan trolls who have been running a running joke where we refuse to tolerate racism, misogyny, transphobia. We did it all in isolation for 3 years, so we could show up here, requiring lots of actual development work to re-merge and federate, as a bit.
This is what liberals need to believe to continue daily life free of mental interruptions.
And it would be so much easier to not give a shit about any of that. You really don't get anything for standing up for the powerless (aside from the fact that our trans posters are among the most powerful ever known).
yet never defend these ideals in organic conversations where the topics actually come up.
Because we definitely don't have multiple different queer communities with >3 years of posts in them and a weekly queer specific megathread every week for 3 years and we definitely didn't recently onboard r/traaa too and we definitely don't have a modteam that is over 50% trans and enby,
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We also definitely don't have a site wide culture of mocking and bullying transphobes internally and we definitely didn't have a trans admin bully all the power posters into reading Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink and Blue 3 years ago in the site's early days
Right, just like how the Nazis were really socialists because they had "socialist" in the name.
The whole thing about that was that the Nazis didn't do anything socialist, and in fact the term privatization was invested to describe their economic policies. Hexbear acts against LGBT hate, racism, ableism, etc., so this analogy is a non-starter.
Fascism is only a vibe, and the vibe is "something CmdrShepard disagrees with"
It's literally the only place on the internet that I, as a Trans woman, feel completely safe. The ONLY people who I know 100% will go to bat for me even when it is inconvenient.
yet never defend these ideals in organic conversations where the topics actually come up.
You're a fucking moron.
we are about as far from 4chan as you can get, we're just rude to losers like you who equate queer liberationist leftists with incel pedophile racists on 4chan
Go fuck yourself!
(P.S. This is why we're rude sometimes, absolutely go and fuck yourself)
How are we like 4chan users? We filter slurs and ban users who try to engage in hate speech. We offer content/NSFW warnings. We don't doxx or send death threats and ban those who try.
I want to know why you looked at Hexbear and saw 4chan.
I don't say people trying to associate Hexbear and 4chan are fed posters, but I say that if I were a
I would certainly try to make that association popular.Oh, full stop. I was just hoping I could get an answer about what they dislike about 4chan to use it as an insult against us. Because right now, it just seems like the tone. Not any of the other fucked up things on that image board.
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I've never used that website, I'd imagine most hexbear users haven't. We're actually reddit refugees from 3 years ago, thank you very much 😤.
Not like that's much better lol.
There's no cosplay here, I can promise you that. I'm bi and communist, don't know about other users. I know we have a sizeable amount of trans users as well. Pretty sure none of us are cosplaying as left of LGBT.
I never used Reddit, I never listened to the podcast. I came here from a discord server lol. I’m basically without original sin here. I’m the perfect leftist.
You got us, all of our theory reading groups, real life mutual aid, and threads about loving our trans comrades have all been part of an elaborate 3-year long running gag to trick you, the main character.
And yet you would betray all of that work to ineffectively dunk on libs. Which motivation is truly the priority?
You say that like lib dunking is an exclusively right wing activity, which is an adorably sheltered thing to think
I'm saying that all of your theory reading groups, real life mutual aid, and threads about loving your trans comrades are entirely insignificant in precipitating a communist society. Your behavior on Lemmy is actively pushing people away from communism as an ideology, and thus I question whether your users are truly committed to aiding the proletariat in their struggle.
Marx would be ashamed of you people.
"Noo you can't just be mean to bigots, you're pushing people away from communism, noo why are you standing up for maligned and beseiged socialist countries, Marx would be ashamed of youu
"
You'd need to establish an antagonistic relationship between the two before this remotely works as an own.
Sure. The people who you are childishly attacking comprise the audience that you have been provided to spread your leftist ideals and accomplish your purported communist objectives. But instead of evangelizing, you choose to resort to mockery and snickering inside jokes, thereby ensuring that your isolated community never gains enough relevance to effect real change. It's amazing to me that I have to spell this out for you, you should be abundantly aware after being defederated by the vast majority of other servers.
Your entire shtick is a self-congratulary circlejerk just for being on team "We Hate America". That's not communism, it's teenage angst.
It's so cute when libs project their purile lack of knowledge onto the people consistently tearing their imperial worldview apart
What? No one on Hexbear is on it because we think we're going to "effect real change" on here lol
Maybe you forget how isolated lemmy is in general. Even if we wanted to do that it's not even possible. This is just our comfortable space in an ocean of online liberalism. We're happy to discuss politics with people in good faith and it's great if we can help educate people but pretty much everything important happens in real life, offline. So don't act surprised when you're met with mockery because you've accused us of betraying communism for not letting the bigots, transphobes, reactionaries, and libs talk down to us and insult us on the Internet in some naive attempt to "convert" them.
Also, we get along fine with most of the fediverse! I'm glad we're still connected to lemmy.ml, lemm.ee, sdf, etc even though there can be a few bad actors. I'm not sure federating with your instance was a good idea though...
Comments like this have really shown me that liberals don't actually care about beliefs at all (hexbear having diametrically opposed beliefs to 4chan). They only care about tone.
Why yes, groups of people who act like a bunch of dogpiling 4chan trolls typically don't have their beliefs respected or acknowledged. Tone is important. Glad we could help you come to that realization.
Understood. And I know there are groups on pretty much every instance that ruin things for everyone else. I don't want to judge any full instance from the actions of a minority.
They're just an annoying bunch of wannabe communists who sound incredibly smug and post a ton of stickers in comments. Having said that I've moved to lemm.ee when lemmy.world defeterated from hexbear.
When you guys mention the imperial core, what are you talking about? DC? Hollywood? Wall Street? Brussels? London? Paris? Berlin? The Hague? Where is this imperial core you keep mentioning?
"imperial core" isn't a phrase we made up. It refers to World Systems Theory, a theory of international relations invented by a guy named Immanuel Wallerstein which argues that imperial "Core" countries (think the traditional "developed" or "first world" countries. Mainly the US and Europe) have a particular extractive, colonial relationship with "Periphery" countries (think poor, raw material exporting, rentier states like Kyrgyzstan or Nigeria).
Then there are semi-periphery countries which are still tied into the imperial core in some way, but have enough sway economically and geopolitically to kind of stand on their own. They have a different kind of relationship to the imperial core, compared to the periphery (these would be the BRICS countries, largely).
That's a gross over simplification, but hopefully that answers your question.
Edit: Here's a really good explanation of World Systems Theory that goes into more depth
Wasn't aware of this framework, thank you for taking the time to explain it :)
To be fair, colonialism is a human trait and it's been proven in every large society time and time again. You think the current US/UK empire is bad but if you look in your own back yard it's the same thing with a different spin.
It is inevitable, humans are destined for this. It's unfortunate but it's what we do.
That's just the propaganda you've been fed. The world doesn't need to be xenophobic or exploitative. These are learnt behaviors.
yeah but the thing is other countries' policies didn't inspire apartied and the nazis and their holocaust.
the US's exterminationist and segregationalist The US did those thing
Hitler wrote in his diary how good america was at genociding its undesireables, and took it and ran with it
The United States: world leader in being the absolute fucking worst thing in human history since 1619
But that's kind of my point. The CCP engages in almost identical policies and political strategy. It's just under a different banner with a different mascot.
You think the current US/UK empire is bad but if you look in your own back yard it's the same thing with a different spin.
I don't think any non-Western country has enslaved a continent, refused to pay reparations for enslaving an entire continent, and continue to plunder an entire continent of its resources.
I genuinely would like to understand what you guys at hexbear are about but every time I poke my head into that instance you guys are "dunking" every other instance with language nobody else understands. It's very alienating.
you guys are also like, just huge dicks without provocation. like all the fucken time. 99% of what i see from hexbear users is either condescension or outright hostility.
Honestly your best bet is probably to do some reading first, unfortunately. A lot of Hexbear dialect is that way because it's tied to concepts that come from books and thinkers we're broadly familiar with.
If you're more into video stuff you could try this guy. I think he's pretty approachable.
Actually if you went into the megathreads and asked most people would probably give you suggestions too. We are fiesty but in my experience we also like to be helpful to people with questions.
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We're literally just communists. Read any introductory text to communism and 99% of what we say will make sense in context.
I genuinely would like to understand what you guys at hexbear are about
Well, I'd be more than happy to have a good faith discussion with you. No dunking, I promise 🙏
You've caught me going into a busy Labor Day weekend but sure, I'll think up some questions to ask.
If you ask good faith questions and give context for why "Hey, I'm a liberal and I don't understand X could you explain what you mean?"
You WILL get excellent engagement and people will give you very good answers
its easy, and if you genuinely want to learn give it a shot
To be clear in the dunking threads folks are not usually engaging in good faith with us. When I was on another server and replied with actual questions to stuff everyone was incredibly nice to me and explained stuff super well. Can agree though that folks can see dunking as alientating. I promise though if you can get past that it's one of the friendliest communities I've found on the web.
The imperial core is the countries that have been most involved in the imperialist plunder of other nations, so that would be the US, Canada, UK, France, Belgium, Germany, etcetera
Tibet was an oppressive theocratic slave society whose people China liberated.
It's okay to be wrong, Taiwan is a beautiful country. Sorry if that makes you upset.
Note that they said "Most involved" Russia, for instance, has always been the modern "Sick man of Europe" since the fall of the USSR. It's imperial aspirations don't extend as far. And it's relationship to the historic Core of the US and Western Europe, is as a semi-peripheral nation trying to coalesce a regional sphere of influence with itself as the center of gravity. None of that makes it a Core country though.
Maybe if the current world system collapses, and it filled that vacuum. But that hasn't happened.
Imperial Core refers to the World Systems Theory of International Relations, first put forward by Immanuel Wallerstien. I would suggest you read up on the topic before making half-baked responses like this.
US (see native Americans)
Spain (see Cuba/ Mexico)
Wow you just got touchdowned on.
You know how any time there's a map where it colors countries who vote on UN resolutions, or countries where you can be thrown in jail for being poor, etc etc etc etc, you know how its usually a very similar map with US Europe and western allies on one side, and the entire rest of the world (the other 6.5 billion people) on the other?
Yeah, that teeny group that seems to always get its way controlling global politics is the imperial core.
Where is this imperial core you keep mentioning?
They prefer to be called The International Community™
And occasionally the "We make the rules, you take the orders" rules-based order.
Where is this imperial core you keep mentioning?
Probably start with where all the giant battleships come from: https://www.businessinsider.com/magnitude-of-us-naval-dominance-2013-11
Why does the USA need all those battleships if they're not doing imperialism? Are they just cosmetic battleships? Just for shits and giggles?
I was answering his question, not trying to be hostile. I did not insult him at all. Just voicing my opinion.
Ok, so the imperial core is in DC to you, got it. The previous reply is more thoughtful than that.
Another user already explained world systems theory, but there's also the school of global historical materialism, that analyses the relationship and structure of the imperial core/triad and the periphery/global south. Samir Amin was a leading figure in that, he also coined the term "Eurocentrism". You can find quite a few recordings of his lectures for free on YouTube, or pirate his books (he's dead now, so it's not like he'd get the money anyways).
I've grown up under a communist government in a socialist republic. So while I have no degree in Marxism-Leninism, I can assure you that all of my schooling was infused with it. Same goes for most of popular culture. I don't despise communism, as is often the case with people like me, the idea is noble, if utopian. The ideology, like all ideologies, is scary for its intolerance and disregard of human nature. I will therefore gatekeep any pure ideolog, just to save my own faith in humanity.
If you put down the thesaurus and actually think about things you will perhaps start to understand. I grew up in former Czechoslovakia until my adulthood under the rule of the communist party until we overthrew them in 1989. The effects of that time are still with me. The human nature that came to light during communist rule would make your hair stand on end. All in pursuit of ideology. You can't comprehend what you're advocating for further than some utopian theory you read.
My apologies, I was generalising. I've had perfectly normal interactions with hexbear users, but I also saw a bunch of very circlejerky threads populated by hexbear users which I found unbearable (or should it be unhexbearable?).
Lots of tankies from what I'm seeing, they're the "alt-left" if you will, they believe in just as much weird stuff as the alt-right but are on the left side of the spectrum... Heck they end up meeting on many things...
Could you provide an example of Hexbears agreeing with the alt-right about something specific? I think a lot of people conflate "disagreeing with the liberal consensus" with "thinking a MAGA thing" when they're really pretty different.
I can't hear you, the Arms Deliverys to Ukraine are to loud!
Fuck you people. You are pro China and Russia.
When being "not pro west" means not analyzing the conflict but simply adopting the same point of view as Russian propaganda just because Ukraine is supported by the west then yeah, you're pro Russia.
What is the Russian propaganda that we’re repeating in regard to Ukraine?
Why can't you see the difference? We see the west and Nato as having propagated and profited off of this conflict. Russia is guilty as well as Ukraine in fanning the flames of war. But peace is a far better alternative to war and far better than flooding the area with weapons. Weapons that will continue to do damage long after hostility ends. Pro Russia How?
When being "not pro west" means not analyzing the conflict
Just like you analyzed our news megathreads from the last year to make this assessment?
It just fucking baffles me how people from other instances feel so comfortable talking shit straight from their ass. I just don't understand the mentality. It's fucking slimy. You can just do that shit and you don't feel dirty?
Why do you think it is impossible to just dislike two things at once?
Mostly about China and North Korea.
Alt right and alt left both deny Uyghur camps, and think Kim Jong Un is pretty awesome.
In my experience alt right folks are pretty anti China, to the point where that is often the reason they oppose the Ukraine war, as it is dividing the attention of the Christian west from the rising, menacing Tigers that threaten white society.
Hexbears are often skeptical of Adrian Zenz who is usually the source of claims about China. Most that I've seen acknowledge that there are camps (China openly says it is running programs to deradicalize separatists and fundamentalists in the region), but disagree that they are as bad as western media depicts them, and would probably argue that western nations are concern trolling about the issue regardless because it is easy to question whether American foreign policy is motivated by concern for Muslims. Genuinely curious, who is an alt-right guy who doesn't think there are camps in Xinjiang? I've never encountered a pro-Chinese reactionary.
As to Korea I thought MAGA types just memed about Kim Jong Un because Trump sort of got along with him. Hexbears think that the Korean War was bad and that Korea is acting predictably given that a nuclear power is constantly threatening them with annihilation. There are a variety of positions in Hexbear on the DPRK though, and I can't really account for all of them, but I think they arise out of a genuine anti-imperial and anti-war sentiment, and a healthy doze of skepticism of western narratives of a state enemy. I don't think you could say that for the alt right.
Trump derangement syndrome is all too real and the proof is how liberals reacted to him trying to end the Korean war.
Last I checked the alt right believes them same claims about the world that dems do in terms of the supposed camps, they just think they are good because the alt right hates muslims
You guys and the MAGA types seem to have very similar views on the Russia/Ukraine situation at the moment.
Could you be more specific?
I think, for example, that most alt-right types oppose the war either because of chauvinistic beliefs about American boys and American blood and treasure being spent on foreigners, or because they would like to work together with Russia to counter China and think a war with them hurts the white struggle against the eastern hordes. No one on hexbear would defend either of those positions.
It needs to be more specific than "both of you are against continuing the war." Just like it wouldn't be fair for me to accuse you of being alt- right because you and them both agree that there weren't WMDs in Iraq and that that invasion was sold on false pretenses. You might both technically agree but it would be missing the point.
It's theories about how spheres of influence work, that Russia has a right to take over Ukraine, or at least override it politically. Very much similar to Kissinger's Great power politics in the days of the USSR. It's somewhat different than the Russian right which is their divine right to Empire, over the Ukrainians and the Poles and Slavic countries in general. The ideologues Ivan Ilyin and Karl Schmidt influence that part. But notably, both parts believe that there's a place that Russia must dominate in Europe, and that other great powers must not interfere there. Leftists also are influenced by these theories, especially when they remember the reaches of the Iron Curtain far into Central Europe. The USSR had a history of intervening into the politics of its satellite states. Notably in Hungary when there were democratic protests, they sent in tanks to quell the uprising. This theory echoes in 2014 when the Ukrainians changed their government, and Russia invades and annexes Crimea. Many on the far left and far right see the massive protests as creeping American influence that does not belong in the region. They fear NATO expansion as it is a threat to Russia; In the west it's Russia itself, and in Russia, it's Russian greatness in Empire.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand. Liberals don't believe that countries exert influence on other countries around them? You think Joe Biden objects to the concept of spheres of influence? You brought up Kissinger, you don't think US foreign policy is operating under the logic of realpolitik? I'm not sure what the alternative is to believing that countries act to pursue their interests in other countries. That just sounds like a description of the concept of foreign policy.
notably in Hungary when there were democratic protests
You’re talking about the fascist uprising where they went around marking the houses of Jews and Communists for extermination, like only a decade after the Soviets saved the world from Hitler?
we want an immediate end to the war. in what way does wanting an end to the death make us comparable with the alt-right?
How is being pro russia and wanting war to end in any way compatible though? They invaded Ukraine. They literally started a war. That's a pretty disgusting deflection tbh
Russia started a war. Ukraine has two choices. Surrender and end the bloodshed, or fight tooth and nail and pour more innocent people into the meat grinder and then surrender. There is not a third option. Obviously they should choose the former.
NATO/US started the war when they couped the democratically elected Ukrainian government in 2014, and when the US installed regime started bombing civilians in the Donbass
Oh so Russia is just saving Ukrainians from US imperialism by bombing them and committing war crimes. Thank god for our wonderful leader putin o7
Calling for an immediate end to the war is dishonest and supports Russia
We’re just not keeping our head in the sand here. Ukraine is not taking back Crimea, or even the Donbas. The counteroffensive failed horribly. Cheering for more bloodshed isn’t going to make a better outcome in the end.
"cheering for more bloodshed." Are you telling on yourself? You act like a counteroffensive is supposed to be fast and easy. It's not, war is bloody and deadly and Russia is not going to call for peace until they achieve their objective of overthrowing the Ukrainian government or achieving a peace deal where they can keep Ukraine's economic sectors
"Ukraine should surrender so that they can spare their civilian and combatant lives to Russia which totally won't abuse their land and people as they've done in the past"
Russia could make that happen, you know. They could pull their forces out. Right now, that would end the conflict.
Do you think we’re in charge of the Russian military? The war is going to end eventually one way or another. We might as well push for the path that preserves Ukrainian lives.
Are we in charge of the Ukrainian military? Not that it really matters, but still.
Russia can unilaterally end the conflict. Ukraine cannot (yet). Calling on Ukrainians to surrender while they still want to defend themselves is cowardice. I would rather support their continued struggle.
And Ukraine could have prevented all of this by simply abiding by the several peace deals they signed before the war started. What's your point?
Oh, so Russia deciding to invade Ukraine is the fault of the Ukrainians? Cool. Very normal opinion.
Damn too bad they’re not going to do that, so what should we do about that? We support a negotiated settlement to the conflict in order to achieve peace, you support marching every single Ukrainian person into a meat grinder to die. Which of is more right wing?
This isn't about us. What "we" should do is to support and show solidarity with the side being attacked by an imperialist, dictatorial state and help them defend themselves.
When the Finnish were defending themselves in the Winter War it would not have been just to say "they should just surrender to save their lives". The Finns did eventually surrender, but only after they had stomped the Soviet army all across Finland. They continued fighting not to die but so that they could live.
The Ukrainians are fighting now not to die but so that they can live in (relative) freedom.
Again, this "we should just capitulate to whatever warmongers want" stuff is shameful and cowardly, doubly so for people on the Left.
imagine dying on the “war is bad” hill. i can agree on that point, and i don’t even need to politically align myself with real shitters and make a fool of myself in pseudo-public to do it!
imagine not thinking war is bad. imagine believing American propaganda given its track record.
Bro, this war is totally different to every other war, bro!
Trust me, bro! I know we got duped into supporting:
The Korean War
The Vietnam War
The war in Iraq
The other war in Iraq
The war in Afghanistan
The war in the Philippines
The war in Guatemala
The war on Cuba
The war in Laos
The war in Cambodia
The war in Somalia
The war in Yemen
The war in Libya
The war in Grenada
The war in Yugoslavia
...but this time it's an existential threat!! Trust me, bro!
"Very" implies you've drilled down beyond the very first superficial similarity.
Please offer two things in which we have in common since you're clearly not just talking out of your ass.
boo hoo someone is to your left politically and you're mad about it.
Heck they end up meeting on many things...
name literally a single one or quit spreading this bullshit.
Denounce the US genocide against Martians right now or you're a genocide denier.
I had some conversations here. They were saying that China isn't doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. That seems like genocide denial to me.
Why are you linking an actual propaganda thinktank as an example as of Uyghur Genocide?
You could link any source, but you link one that is staffed by people who's careers have been purely to lie about American's enemies and push American interests?? I hope you're a little sharper than that and you're just linking that because you hope other people will swallow anything.
"HEY GUYS THIS ORGANIZATION THAT IS PAID TO TELL ME THAT CHINA IS BAD, GET THIS, SAYS CHINA IS BAD!!"
Come on bud.
You want the wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
Both the US state department and the CIA have had to acknowledge that there is no genocide going on in Xinjiang
That's very misleading. They say they have insufficient proof to say it is racially motivated. (Which is a prerequisite for genocide) But there is certainly great oppression happening there.
Hell yeah I'm a genocide denier.
I deny white genocide without any remorse 😎
Being pro Russia, genocide denialism, authoritarianism, being hateful of ideas that don't conform to their worldview, racism (just not towards the same people), the list goes on and on.
Hey, I'm a Hexbear user and I really think you have the wrong impression of what our site is. Idk if you're open to reconsidering or if you're just trying to get a few antagonistic words in but I'll tell you my experience as a long time user:
Being pro Russia
Our site isn't pro-russia. We just want the war to come to a swift end without any further bloodshed. Some people take offense to that because we don't think the best way to do that is to send more guns, tanks, planes, dollars, etc into the warzone. That benefits no one except the arms manufacturers and the money lenders. Not regular people on either side.
genocide denialism
The only thing I can think of that you would be referring to is the "holodomor" or something similar that happened in the USSR. It's not that we deny that many people did die in these horrible tragedies or that there wasn't Soviet government involvement in some of them but that these very real events are being distorted for political reasons by people who want to paint the USSR in a certain, wholly bad, light. As communists (or anarchists), we try to be very open to criticism and new ways of thinking about or doing things but not when the intent is to do historical revisionism to make the people who liberated the concentration camps and ended the crimes of Nazism seem like Nazis under a different name.
Authoritarianism
Well, I guess this is true in a way. As revolutionists, we do seek to change the system by establishing a new authority with the capability to make this change. But have you ever noticed how the current system maintains and perpetuates itself? Sure, you can vote (and we don't seek to abolish that!), but when that fails and working-class people take to the streets seeking change, why is it that people with guns and tear gas and riot shields try to stop them and maybe even imprison them? It's not that leftists are uniquely "authoritarian" but that we want to use that authority for representing regular, working-class people and to bring about a better world where that authority isn't necessary anymore. Our anarchist users probably have a somewhat different take on this but one of them will have to talk about it lol
being hateful of ideas that don't conform to their worldview
Sure, there are a lot of ideas that we hate. But isn't that everyone? I hope we could all agree on hating things like fascism, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc etc. Our users probably feel more strongly about that than most people lol but that's just cuz a lot of us have been targets of those kinds of ideas. Other than stuff like that though... this site has been one of the most accepting places on the Internet in my experience. Sure, we argue a lot (sometimes too zealously lol), but just cuz we care a lot about getting things right. On our site, we don't have downvotes to encourage users to actually challenge bad ideas and voice their opinion instead of just feeling satisfied having slightly influenced an algorithm.
racism (just not towards the same people)
This just hasn't been my experience and I know most of our users would agree. Racism gets swiftly removed on Hexbear and lots of people replying challenging it. Do you have any examples? This has just been so contrary to my time on the site. Unless you mean jokes about white people but I hope I don't have to explain why that's not a problem lol
Anyway, I just want our instances and our users to exist together in peace. I know we have very "different" ideas from what is considered the mainstream in the west and on most of the English-speaking internet but I know our presence on the "fediverse" can be a positive thing and that we can get along. I hope this helps you to understand our site a bit better.
The whole "we want to end the war" argument just reeks. It stinks of russian propaganda. Russia started the war. They invaded Ukraine. Would you have the same viewpoint if the US was the invader? I've seen that comment several times and it kinda starts sounding like a red fascist dogwhistle
The war did not start in 2022, your analysis of what has been happening before the invasion needs to go back before that.
Unless by racism you mean racism but I hope I don’t have to explain why racism isn't a problem lol
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Do you think "anti-white racism" is even remotely as bad as other forms of racism? Or even a problem at all? White people already have all the privileges bestowed upon them by a fundamentally white-supremacist society. Making fun of this concept on our tiny social media website isn't hurting anyone.
Do you think “anti-white racism” is even remotely as bad as other forms of racism?
In the vast majority of cases, no, not even close.
Or even a problem at all?
It's 100% a problem, for multiple reasons. First and foremost, it's racist, so it's already inherently a problem for that reason alone. But it's also a problem because your [hexbear's] moralistic self-righteousness combined with your [hexbear's] obvious hypocrisy gives people opposed to your ideals that much more ammunition (and of course you don't care about that, but that itself is also part of the hexbear problem).
And the worst part is that, as with so many of hexbear's problems, there's no reason for it. It's such an easy problem to fix, and would give an instance like hexbear that supposedly prides itself on its inclusivity such a huge boost in credibility. If you want to set yourselves up as morally unimpeachable, then be morally unimpeachable! Set an actual example, and be leaders that bring people together, not because of compromising your beliefs, but by actually being consistent, steadfast, and intellectually honest about the beliefs you already have.
And sure, I get the importance of having a place where you can feel comfortable and meme hyperbolically about problems you feel are important, and about the people who don't agree with you. That seems to be the direction that most hexbears seem to want to go.
But, in the end, it is racist, and it is disingenuous to promote yourselves as this bastion of anti-racism while encouraging literal racism on your instance and then act all surprised pikachu face when you get called out on it.
Really? Go tell that to Jews... Or the Irish... Or Acadians (heck, french Canadians in general)... The list goes on and on...
No one here is pro Russia lol. We just recognize that the war in Ukraine is an intractable meat grinder, and working for peace is more productive than continuing the conflict in an effort to further enrich War Contractors.
Woah woah woah, calm down there chief.
I have that same opinion having seen hexbear posts for the past 6 months. It's not invalid because it makes you upset.
"These two groups disagree with me, that means they must agree with each other!"
I had some conversations here. They were saying that north Korea is a lovely democracy, Russia is totally justified in Ukraine, and China isn't doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Just some examples from yesterday.
I can't find the source of that website. Do you know where it comes from?
Hmm, looks like the response to the un report is some guy on Twitter. And he seems to mostly handwave a ton of eyewitness testimony and investigations because they're from western governments.
What do you mean no first hand sources? I thought those were the the eyewitness that he dismissed because some of them hadn't talked to people about their traumatic experiences before talking to the UN.
I'm not bothered by the translations. An office translation would need to be by China, right? So they'd have a motive to mistranslate to downplay what they're doing. As long as the original documents as well as the translations are available, it should be easy enough to check the translation accuracy.
People disagree with things most everyone on sjw would agree with.
oh get bent you shit ass mods it was literally fucking music
I went into the thread. You defended Nazis and argued that it makes sense that the FRG (west Germany) had so many Nazis in control of the government, police, judicative, and companies. While there were alternatives (believe me as someone living in Germany and having informed myself about that I know it). You also moved your goal posts and tried to diminish influences of other states i.e. the US (which you nationalist rise above others). All in all you would be okay in the instance, but get back lash when you kept up the way to jump from one to the other.
That you try to ignore those actions and the responses to your comments fits that lemmy users arguing against hexbear are deflecting heavily from their own responsibility and their own actions.
Your points in regards to both Russia&Ukraine are also not true (else you would directly link to it, and then there is no consensus in the hexbear userbase neither) and liking the CFR article is also not showing anything about hexbear (who - if you do search for it - are actually linking the UN report as well as the Chinese answer in regards to the Uigurs in their threads and comments about it).
They're coming here. They've all got their pronouns after their names, (which is actually a great idea) so it's a little easier to tell them apart. I've got a useless thread with a few in memes@lemmy.ml right now.
It's frustrating, because I have pronouns after my name and I dislike hexbear.... a lot. It is a good idea to have users give pronouns and automatically attach it.
Their behaviour has made me constantly check if people with pronouns after their names are part of hexbear before engaging in any threads, because of the stress of dealing with them :/, sometimes I do engage anyway and immediately regret it /shrug
It is depressing, because normally using pronouns like this indicates trans supportiveness so I feel better about conversing with people with them on their names. Hexbear has ruined this because of their behaviour around all other topics and sometimes trans topics.
Just hope Jerboa gets instance-blocking features soon ;p, then I can block them on both my lemmy accounts .
For what it's worth I hope we get instance blocking features soon so I don't constantly have to see the toxic shit seeping out of the rest of lemmy.
So you only want to use hexbear? You've got the local tab, but I guess you can't block comments.
I was perfectly happy only using hexbear for years. I generally browse all otherwise
This is such bullshit. Just saw the announcement that we aren't going to defederate from hexbear. Why weren't we given a say in this?
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