https://sh.itjust.works/post/4274675
To this I say, no. As a community, we do not deny proven genocides, like the holocaust, or the genocide against indigenous Americans by various European colonizers, or the genocide against the Congolese by Belgium, or the Bengal famine that was carried out by the British empire. In fact, denying those genocides will get you banned, here. However: we are also aware of a tendency of nations to project their crimes onto others, and to manufacture atrocity propaganda to justify overthrowing or destroying rival governments... like Libya in 2011:
From Washington Bullets by Vijay Prashad (a great book I highly recommend)
A post from Michael Parenti regarding the destruction of Libya by NATO-backed reactionaries
A headline shortly after Libya's destruction by NATO-backed reactionaries
The US government has been reenacting the fable of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and has been cynically leveraging the very serious accusation of genocide against its geopolitical enemies. This is the source of skepticism on Xinjiang. And this is not a new strategy, yes, the Holodomor, which everyone in the US has been taught to take seriously lately, is a nazi fabrication first spread to the United States in the works of Robert Conquest. Why would the USSR deliberately starve a fellow socialist Republic? Why would Stalin, a Georgian, have some kind of Russian chauvinist grudge against Ukrainians? Why would Lenin (Donbass), Stalin (Lviv), and Khruschev (Crimea) all expand the territory of the Ukrainian SSR while also trying to kill off the people inside of it? Why would the USSR ethnically cleanse Ukrainains while simultaneously sending food aid to the starving British colony in Bengal? Natural famines and crop failures were spun by the nazis into atrocity propaganda. Also, a state does not have to be perfect to be defended against false accuations. I think China is far from perfect, but the burden of proof is on the United States to prove its accusations (which have changed in scope several times) regarding Xinjiang. Delegations from Muslim majority nations visiting Xinjiang do not agree with the United States that there is a genocide of the Uyghur people. There is however an attempt to reeducate extremist groups like ETIM. Reeducating extremists might seem a harsh government policy, but I assure you it is a better way of dealing with religious fundamentalism than drone striking weddings or air striking hospitals like the USA did in Afghanistan.
THAT IS NOT GENOCIDE YOU FUCKING FUCK
Have you considered that treating reactionary terrorists better than we treat prisoners in Gitmo is genocide, actually?
A lot of these people sound like they were just picked up at random. The program was certainly more humane that just dropping hellfire missiles on random civilians, and the program as a whole does seem to have worked, but I imagine the working parts were probably more the cultural education and building mosques for mainline Sunni's, not the kidnapping people without clear reason and making them sing patriotic songs. Given the way western counter-insurgency "works", ie building up networks of contacts and then just randomly murdering people who are flagged as connected to a lot of people of interest, I doubt China's method of identifying potential insurgents or people vulnerable to Wahhabism is any less prone to false positives. It's just that there false positives live because they didn't default to murdering weddings.
Like, it seems to have worked, and as far as anyone knows it seems like they didn't focus on killing people, but it still has problems, or at least is negatively effected people caught up in the dragnet. Balanced views and nuance
Good analysis, I agree
They do this every time.
"They're genociding people left and right!"
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"Well if you read this bit it says they were kinda actually assholes"
They will walk back whatever they say until they are saying nothing at all. You'd think through this process they'd come to realize how little evidence they have and self-evaluate, but...