No, that’s not how it works. You were the one that made the claim Stalin “exported all of his bread to other parts of his empire”, so the burden of proof is on you. Show us.
I don't intend to prove it as I'm not here to convince you. I just have a certain point of view, which I shared as it seemed as an apptopriate comment on the post. Now that you present me an alternative narrative, I'm intrested to learn what it is, and as I do not intend to prove mine, you don't have to prove your's either. We just have to converse, and that too only if you want to.
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RESOLUTION OF THE PYATYKHATSK SOWING COMMITTEE OF THE DNIPROPETROV Oblast
ON PROVIDING FOOD AID TO THOSE IN ACUTE NEED
TO KOLHOSPAM AND KOLHOSPNIK
February 7, 1933
Instruct the district department and district supply department to distribute the food loan in relation to the number of people and crops on collective farms in such a way that the sowing committee has at its disposal a reserve of 10% of this amount, and this 10% will also have to be distributed among collective farms, based on the needs of individual collective farms and collective farmers.
From the available loan of 12 thousand pounds of corn in grain, it is considered necessary to provide urgent assistance to the following collective farms:
Moreover, the indicated 8.3 tons are not taken into account in the calculation of these collective farms in the overall distribution of food loans.
Due to the fact that there is a large number of detected cases of swelling in the area, that the area was not sufficiently informed about this and that the assistance provided is insufficient, instruct Comr. Kudrinsky and Salip should write a memorandum to the regional CP(b)U about the current situation and ask the regional sowing committee to provide additional food assistance.
The chairman of the sowing committee Hryshchenko
Partarch of the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine. F. 19. Op. 1. Ref. 874. Ark. AND. `
Libs really do just come in here, parrot literal Nazi propaganda, hand us a fuckin' assignment to prove it wrong, then just leave without saying anything else after being discredited with several sources cited, over and over again.
the proplem with the metaphorical 'small people' is that they are in denial about beeing small people , so a obstacle that a tall person can easly cross ("Oh so i have been bambozzeled to a degree") appears daunting and endless to them ...
for us it is easy because we are "tall" , for @halvar@lemm.ee it is daunting because he entered the dark site of town riding his high horse ,the horse then instantly died and the now obviously pretty small and helpless Halvar is running out of here it as fast as his littl legs can carry him .. maybe he will return someday .. humble and interested. Or will he preach of our barbarism in polite Society? -
"Can you belive it ? they mistrust our exaclted Majestic Patron there ? !
to return , he obviously needs to grow , how do we messure that ... Obviously by his ability to cross without the help of a high horse , lifting him from the ground.. and then we can all be like ..
You don't intend to prove it as you literally can't because you didn't plan on being expected to. Don't try to pull bs on people here. This isn't Reddit where people with the same viewpoint will updoot you anyway no matter what the facts say.
If you're actually interested in knowing the full story of this western narrative then you're free to ask but when you make a snarky remark like that you'll be confronted about your standpoint and expected to back it up, and trust me when I say we have enough liberals coming in here dropping some regurgitated talking point thinking it's a mic drop moment only to falter when confronted.
I don't intend to do so, because even if I wanted I couldn't convince you, because you clearly made up your mind, and I don't have the time or indeed the knowladge to do so. I left a comment with what I consider my best knowladge, you guys took it as an invitation to battle. I then asked you what is your viewpoint, knowing that I can't change it, just like you most likely can't change mine, but regardless I was still intrested. Then somehow I'm a lib who shall be burned at stake.
I haven't made up my mind, but someone up above commented that theres no evidence that grain distribution was coordinated along ethnic lines, and the longer that thought sits with me, the more and more I'm convinced that this wasn't a genocide.
You've been presented with a falsifiable statement. If it is indeed false, it will be trivial to win this argument now. Is it?
oh , so suddenly all your Thunder is gone ..
Damn .. howdid that happen.. ? Not that you build your identiy on "repeating uncriticly what authority tells me about their enemies "
because this worldview/ Identiy will run into obvious limitations ..
I advise against it.. its detremetal to your Social Standing .. next time do
"I heard that he did X , whats up with that accusation"
No, that’s not how it works. You were the one that made the claim Stalin “exported all of his bread to other parts of his empire”, so the burden of proof is on you. Show us.
I don't intend to prove it as I'm not here to convince you. I just have a certain point of view, which I shared as it seemed as an apptopriate comment on the post. Now that you present me an alternative narrative, I'm intrested to learn what it is, and as I do not intend to prove mine, you don't have to prove your's either. We just have to converse, and that too only if you want to.
Your 'view' is just wrong though. The opening of the Soviet archives has confirmed that the USSR sent significant aid to the famine stricken areas.
https://old.archives.gov.ua/Sections/Famine/Publicat/Fam-Pyrig-1933.php#nom-159
Libs really do just come in here, parrot literal Nazi propaganda, hand us a fuckin' assignment to prove it wrong, then just leave without saying anything else after being discredited with several sources cited, over and over again.
the proplem with the metaphorical 'small people' is that they are in denial about beeing small people , so a obstacle that a tall person can easly cross ("Oh so i have been bambozzeled to a degree") appears daunting and endless to them ... for us it is easy because we are "tall" , for @halvar@lemm.ee it is daunting because he entered the dark site of town riding his high horse ,the horse then instantly died and the now obviously pretty small and helpless Halvar is running out of here it as fast as his littl legs can carry him .. maybe he will return someday .. humble and interested. Or will he preach of our barbarism in polite Society? - "Can you belive it ? they mistrust our exaclted Majestic Patron there ? !
to return , he obviously needs to grow , how do we messure that ... Obviously by his ability to cross without the help of a high horse , lifting him from the ground.. and then we can all be like ..
"look how much youve grown ! we proud of you!"
You don't intend to prove it as you literally can't because you didn't plan on being expected to. Don't try to pull bs on people here. This isn't Reddit where people with the same viewpoint will updoot you anyway no matter what the facts say.
If you're actually interested in knowing the full story of this western narrative then you're free to ask but when you make a snarky remark like that you'll be confronted about your standpoint and expected to back it up, and trust me when I say we have enough liberals coming in here dropping some regurgitated talking point thinking it's a mic drop moment only to falter when confronted.
I don't intend to do so, because even if I wanted I couldn't convince you, because you clearly made up your mind, and I don't have the time or indeed the knowladge to do so. I left a comment with what I consider my best knowladge, you guys took it as an invitation to battle. I then asked you what is your viewpoint, knowing that I can't change it, just like you most likely can't change mine, but regardless I was still intrested. Then somehow I'm a lib who shall be burned at stake.
I haven't made up my mind, but someone up above commented that theres no evidence that grain distribution was coordinated along ethnic lines, and the longer that thought sits with me, the more and more I'm convinced that this wasn't a genocide.
You've been presented with a falsifiable statement. If it is indeed false, it will be trivial to win this argument now. Is it?
oh , so suddenly all your Thunder is gone .. Damn .. howdid that happen.. ? Not that you build your identiy on "repeating uncriticly what authority tells me about their enemies "
because this worldview/ Identiy will run into obvious limitations .. I advise against it.. its detremetal to your Social Standing .. next time do
"I heard that he did X , whats up with that accusation"