You're welcome to dislike something, but that doesn't mean you need to discourage someone else from liking that thing. You can share an opinion without making it sound like it's a sin against nature to disagree with that opinion.
Criticizing things is fine but there is in fact a line where you become the asshole for doing it too hard or in a bad faith way. Or targeting individual people (particularly minors). The PSL thing is a good example because while we can criticize the comedication of it, some of the discourse around it is really misogynistic.
I wasn't accusing you of it. We aren't in DMs right now. It was a general statement about something I think is true, that people can use "criticizing things' as a guise for assholishness and even bigotry. Not saying you're doing that.
I don't think assholishness is necessarily a bad thing, it's value-neutral. I would simply not be bigoted in my critiques, and bigotry is a separate issue entirely that can be addressed directly, and has nothing to do with the "let people enjoy things" poptimism ethos that pervades much of the internet which I think is disgusting. I dont believe anybody has a "right" to not hear criticisms of their favorite things, and mostly people have an issue with it because they've made consumption their identity and feel personally attacked by critiques on what they consume. They need to separate their identity from the commodity, not get mad at the messenger.
I don't think assholishness is necessarily a bad thing, it's value-neutral.
Really depends on the context ie who you're being a dick to and for what reason.
Like we had a "dont be a dick to your comrades" rule for a reason, for example.
I've seen the backlash to "let people enjoy things" lead to some behavior I'd consider fairly toxic in its own right. I bring up the minors thing because they tend to be the most passionate about fandom stuff, and I see grown ass adult grumpy shitheads harassing them for liking inoffensive things. Which I think is kind of the source of that attitude.
"Let people enjoy things" for me isn't about "don't criticize things people like". Its about "dont go out of your way to do targeted harassment towards people over things they like". I mean there are obvious exceptions like streamers who streamed wizard game, but even things like that can cross into harassment.
Like, if you check my post history i'm literally currently dealing with a mod of a wrestling forum who's so obsessed with bunny cop that he has alerted both his politics and how he moderates around that fact, and claims its because Judy is his comfort character. So OBVIOUSLY I think people can become to obsessed with their things and make it part of their identity in a self-warping way. And that those people can use "let people enjoy things" as a shield for that behavior.
But I think there's a middle ground here because if you think "I'm allowed to criticize things" cant be used as a shield for toxic behavior as well, you're wrong.
Nor did I elect you king of what I'm allowed to enjoy. Go ahead and police people's thoughts if you insist, but don't expect to be included by people you willfully offend.
Then how else am I supposed to feel superior compared to everyone else if I don't impose my standards on them? I'm just trying to help them. It's like you want to live in a world where people don't know they're loosers. That's dumb, you're dumb. /s
These people want a perfect protected treat echo chamber where they can consoom disney shit endlessly without anyone troubling them with "critiques" or "disagreement"
Eh that depends. The reactionary ragebait Youtubers who do this should all be thrown into a pit together and I'm suspicious of anyone echoing certain talking points about certain media because of them.
I think there's a difference between "Disney is releasing shit" and "THE WOKE MIND VIRUSSSSS "
But you're right, Disney today doesn't feel any different to Disney of 25 years ago. Their new movies are pretty much the same as their old ones. So it really does deserve deeper investigation to check the reasoning.
After Avengers End Game everything is either mid or below average
As a very long term Star Wars fan, I absolutely hated the Star Wars sequel trilogy after The Force Awakens and even their marvel content I haven’t been arsed to watch (This includes the movies)
Their animated movies are also uninspired now.
The quality has just dropped majorly across all facets.
Fair. Honestly Lucas never should have let go of something that so heavily relies upon plot being based within his personal political criticisms. It's not really a surprise that other writers are missing the mark with it when his politics are rather close to marxist.
Their animated movies are also uninspired now.
Like? Ok Lightyear is trash but Raya and Encanto are fine, very typical Disney movies tbh. Seems more like your problem is with Pixar than Disney? Frozen 2 was mid but I can't think of a single Disney sequel that wasn't.
PSLs are gross, overly sugarladen drinks and emblematic of both crass consumerism and America's obsession with unhealthy food. Halloween decorations are gaudy and an eyesore and also emblematic of crass consumerism, while also representing a non-trivial amount of non-biodegradable plastic waste that just winds up buried in landfills every year.
No, not flavored coffee. PSLs. Different things. It's like saying "pork sandwiches" when someone brings up the McRib. It's not that simple. Food has a cultural component tied to its manufacture and identification. And, similar to the McRib, Starbucks style PSLs are food that probably shouldn't exist and which only does as a byproduct of market capitalism. They're the Lacanian 'object a' - an empty, manufactured falseness. We don't desire the thing itself, but the thing whose absence it symbolizes. What you're really consuming when you drink a PSL or a McRib is its innate mechanical predictability.
Have you considered the possibility that some people like the taste of pumpkin spice lattes? Or do you just get to dismiss everything you personally dislike as "The Lacanian 'object a?'" You could substitute literally any food or drink for PSLs in what you said, it's completely meaningless.
It's just empty words and phrases for you to feel superior to others based on what treats you enjoy or don't enjoy.
Let people not like things.
You're welcome to dislike something, but that doesn't mean you need to discourage someone else from liking that thing. You can share an opinion without making it sound like it's a sin against nature to disagree with that opinion.
I can discourage or encourage whatever I want. I didn’t elect you king of the discourse or agree to your rules
Criticizing things is fine but there is in fact a line where you become the asshole for doing it too hard or in a bad faith way. Or targeting individual people (particularly minors). The PSL thing is a good example because while we can criticize the comedication of it, some of the discourse around it is really misogynistic.
I literally don't care about being an asshole, that's fine. I can criticize whatever I want
You should probably care about things like misogyny and harassing minors lol. Which is what my post was about.
Making up something I'm not doing to get mad about
I wasn't accusing you of it. We aren't in DMs right now. It was a general statement about something I think is true, that people can use "criticizing things' as a guise for assholishness and even bigotry. Not saying you're doing that.
I don't think assholishness is necessarily a bad thing, it's value-neutral. I would simply not be bigoted in my critiques, and bigotry is a separate issue entirely that can be addressed directly, and has nothing to do with the "let people enjoy things" poptimism ethos that pervades much of the internet which I think is disgusting. I dont believe anybody has a "right" to not hear criticisms of their favorite things, and mostly people have an issue with it because they've made consumption their identity and feel personally attacked by critiques on what they consume. They need to separate their identity from the commodity, not get mad at the messenger.
Really depends on the context ie who you're being a dick to and for what reason.
Like we had a "dont be a dick to your comrades" rule for a reason, for example.
I've seen the backlash to "let people enjoy things" lead to some behavior I'd consider fairly toxic in its own right. I bring up the minors thing because they tend to be the most passionate about fandom stuff, and I see grown ass adult grumpy shitheads harassing them for liking inoffensive things. Which I think is kind of the source of that attitude.
"Let people enjoy things" for me isn't about "don't criticize things people like". Its about "dont go out of your way to do targeted harassment towards people over things they like". I mean there are obvious exceptions like streamers who streamed wizard game, but even things like that can cross into harassment.
Like, if you check my post history i'm literally currently dealing with a mod of a wrestling forum who's so obsessed with bunny cop that he has alerted both his politics and how he moderates around that fact, and claims its because Judy is his comfort character. So OBVIOUSLY I think people can become to obsessed with their things and make it part of their identity in a self-warping way. And that those people can use "let people enjoy things" as a shield for that behavior.
But I think there's a middle ground here because if you think "I'm allowed to criticize things" cant be used as a shield for toxic behavior as well, you're wrong.
Nor did I elect you king of what I'm allowed to enjoy. Go ahead and police people's thoughts if you insist, but don't expect to be included by people you willfully offend.
I will, and you can't exclude me lmao. Deal with it, you have to deal with critiques and disagreements, how terrible for you
"Discourage" and "disallow" are two different things.
Lmao anyone offended because someone criticised their latest marvel slop or videogame deserves to be their head shoved in a toilet.
Then how else am I supposed to feel superior compared to everyone else if I don't impose my standards on them? I'm just trying to help them. It's like you want to live in a world where people don't know they're loosers. That's dumb, you're dumb. /s
If intolerant bigots could read that they’d be very upset
Edit: and here they come to out themselves
bigotry and intolerance are when you criticize my treats
These people want a perfect protected treat echo chamber where they can consoom disney shit endlessly without anyone troubling them with "critiques" or "disagreement"
Jokes on you. I think Disney is releasing shit after shit release
And you should be able to say that as loudly and as often as you like!
Eh that depends. The reactionary ragebait Youtubers who do this should all be thrown into a pit together and I'm suspicious of anyone echoing certain talking points about certain media because of them.
I think there's a difference between "Disney is releasing shit" and "THE WOKE MIND VIRUSSSSS
"
But you're right, Disney today doesn't feel any different to Disney of 25 years ago. Their new movies are pretty much the same as their old ones. So it really does deserve deeper investigation to check the reasoning.
After Avengers End Game everything is either mid or below average
As a very long term Star Wars fan, I absolutely hated the Star Wars sequel trilogy after The Force Awakens and even their marvel content I haven’t been arsed to watch (This includes the movies)
Their animated movies are also uninspired now.
The quality has just dropped majorly across all facets.
Marvel is the producer for this, not Disney.
Fair. Honestly Lucas never should have let go of something that so heavily relies upon plot being based within his personal political criticisms. It's not really a surprise that other writers are missing the mark with it when his politics are rather close to marxist.
Like? Ok Lightyear is trash but Raya and Encanto are fine, very typical Disney movies tbh. Seems more like your problem is with Pixar than Disney? Frozen 2 was mid but I can't think of a single Disney sequel that wasn't.
I never saw Raya and the music for encanto was good
The constant live action remakes of classics that don’t need to be remade. Why.
Instead of remaking already decent movies, remake something that maybe could have been better like The Black Hole
Wow why you yukking Disney's yum?
Sorry but I like [thing] and therefore [thing] must be held inviolate from even the mildest criticism.
What criticism even is there against PSLs and Halloween decorations??
PSLs are gross, overly sugarladen drinks and emblematic of both crass consumerism and America's obsession with unhealthy food. Halloween decorations are gaudy and an eyesore and also emblematic of crass consumerism, while also representing a non-trivial amount of non-biodegradable plastic waste that just winds up buried in landfills every year.
Ahh yes, the classic emblem of America's crass consumerism checks notes flavored coffee.
PSLs and Halloween decorations are bourgeois decadance, clearly.
lattes are french and therefore bourgeois, real proles drink black coffee or take trucker pills.
No, not flavored coffee. PSLs. Different things. It's like saying "pork sandwiches" when someone brings up the McRib. It's not that simple. Food has a cultural component tied to its manufacture and identification. And, similar to the McRib, Starbucks style PSLs are food that probably shouldn't exist and which only does as a byproduct of market capitalism. They're the Lacanian 'object a' - an empty, manufactured falseness. We don't desire the thing itself, but the thing whose absence it symbolizes. What you're really consuming when you drink a PSL or a McRib is its innate mechanical predictability.
Have you considered the possibility that some people like the taste of pumpkin spice lattes? Or do you just get to dismiss everything you personally dislike as "The Lacanian 'object a?'" You could substitute literally any food or drink for PSLs in what you said, it's completely meaningless.
It's just empty words and phrases for you to feel superior to others based on what treats you enjoy or don't enjoy.