edit: now it's a meme and we can all hug in the comments.
Somebody should make a movie around this message of jaded adults refinding their humanity in an absurd, hyperconsumerist world through the rejection of cynicism and embracing of liking things again, but cleverly disguise it as a movie made to sell plastic dolls to little girls to play on the concept of hyperconsumerism.
I think this hypothetical movie will be a smashing success in the box office. And probably win the lead actress an Oscar this year.
Totally irrelevant to your comment, keep up the strike and hold the line! Assuming you're the real Margot Robbie and have a prolific platform. I know it's not fair, especially to the less recognizable members but a lot of other people who are thinking about unionizing are watching the WGA and SAG strikes to see if labour can still win. It's not just you guys, we're all with you. Even if they're too stupid to realize this strike is more important than a new season of NCIS. Labour winning this strike proves that labour isn't out of the fight and capital hasn't completely won. Stay strong! Hold the line!
But what about the shriveled flower of joy I get from shitting on their happiness
It is a lie. Reject false happiness. Enjoy the community of helping your fellow worker.
I mean a lot of hexbear, and Lemmy in general, is like that. Just shitting on other people's happiness over the most trivial of things, bringing out 500 reasons why thing sucks. And it's done in a hypocritical manner too, if you were to apply their own logic to things they liked and criticise it, they'd get really angry or give you that fake "I don't care" attitude that everyone can see through. This happens with every discussion about "treats" on hexbear in particular.
a little meme
Me shitting on other people's "treats"
Other people shitting on my "treats"Sigh
I'll go set up the trolley. You wait for me by the track switcher.
You're welcome to dislike something, but that doesn't mean you need to discourage someone else from liking that thing. You can share an opinion without making it sound like it's a sin against nature to disagree with that opinion.
I can discourage or encourage whatever I want. I didn’t elect you king of the discourse or agree to your rules
Nor did I elect you king of what I'm allowed to enjoy. Go ahead and police people's thoughts if you insist, but don't expect to be included by people you willfully offend.
Go ahead and police people's thoughts if you insist, but don't expect to be included by people you willfully offend.
I will, and you can't exclude me lmao. Deal with it, you have to deal with critiques and disagreements, how terrible for you
people you willfully offend.
Lmao anyone offended because someone criticised their latest marvel slop or videogame deserves to be their head shoved in a toilet.
Criticizing things is fine but there is in fact a line where you become the asshole for doing it too hard or in a bad faith way. Or targeting individual people (particularly minors). The PSL thing is a good example because while we can criticize the comedication of it, some of the discourse around it is really misogynistic.
I literally don't care about being an asshole, that's fine. I can criticize whatever I want
You should probably care about things like misogyny and harassing minors lol. Which is what my post was about.
I wasn't accusing you of it. We aren't in DMs right now. It was a general statement about something I think is true, that people can use "criticizing things' as a guise for assholishness and even bigotry. Not saying you're doing that.
I don't think assholishness is necessarily a bad thing, it's value-neutral. I would simply not be bigoted in my critiques, and bigotry is a separate issue entirely that can be addressed directly, and has nothing to do with the "let people enjoy things" poptimism ethos that pervades much of the internet which I think is disgusting. I dont believe anybody has a "right" to not hear criticisms of their favorite things, and mostly people have an issue with it because they've made consumption their identity and feel personally attacked by critiques on what they consume. They need to separate their identity from the commodity, not get mad at the messenger.
I don't think assholishness is necessarily a bad thing, it's value-neutral.
Really depends on the context ie who you're being a dick to and for what reason.
Like we had a "dont be a dick to your comrades" rule for a reason, for example.
I've seen the backlash to "let people enjoy things" lead to some behavior I'd consider fairly toxic in its own right. I bring up the minors thing because they tend to be the most passionate about fandom stuff, and I see grown ass adult grumpy shitheads harassing them for liking inoffensive things. Which I think is kind of the source of that attitude.
"Let people enjoy things" for me isn't about "don't criticize things people like". Its about "dont go out of your way to do targeted harassment towards people over things they like". I mean there are obvious exceptions like streamers who streamed wizard game, but even things like that can cross into harassment.
Like, if you check my post history i'm literally currently dealing with a mod of a wrestling forum who's so obsessed with bunny cop that he has alerted both his politics and how he moderates around that fact, and claims its because Judy is his comfort character. So OBVIOUSLY I think people can become to obsessed with their things and make it part of their identity in a self-warping way. And that those people can use "let people enjoy things" as a shield for that behavior.
But I think there's a middle ground here because if you think "I'm allowed to criticize things" cant be used as a shield for toxic behavior as well, you're wrong.
Then how else am I supposed to feel superior compared to everyone else if I don't impose my standards on them? I'm just trying to help them. It's like you want to live in a world where people don't know they're loosers. That's dumb, you're dumb. /s
If intolerant bigots could read that they’d be very upset
Edit: and here they come to out themselves
These people want a perfect protected treat echo chamber where they can consoom disney shit endlessly without anyone troubling them with "critiques" or "disagreement"
Jokes on you. I think Disney is releasing shit after shit release
Eh that depends. The reactionary ragebait Youtubers who do this should all be thrown into a pit together and I'm suspicious of anyone echoing certain talking points about certain media because of them.
I think there's a difference between "Disney is releasing shit" and "THE WOKE MIND VIRUSSSSS
"But you're right, Disney today doesn't feel any different to Disney of 25 years ago. Their new movies are pretty much the same as their old ones. So it really does deserve deeper investigation to check the reasoning.
After Avengers End Game everything is either mid or below average
As a very long term Star Wars fan, I absolutely hated the Star Wars sequel trilogy after The Force Awakens and even their marvel content I haven’t been arsed to watch (This includes the movies)
Their animated movies are also uninspired now.
The quality has just dropped majorly across all facets.
Avengers End Game
Marvel is the producer for this, not Disney.
Star Wars
Fair. Honestly Lucas never should have let go of something that so heavily relies upon plot being based within his personal political criticisms. It's not really a surprise that other writers are missing the mark with it when his politics are rather close to marxist.
Their animated movies are also uninspired now.
Like? Ok Lightyear is trash but Raya and Encanto are fine, very typical Disney movies tbh. Seems more like your problem is with Pixar than Disney? Frozen 2 was mid but I can't think of a single Disney sequel that wasn't.
I never saw Raya and the music for encanto was good
The constant live action remakes of classics that don’t need to be remade. Why.
Instead of remaking already decent movies, remake something that maybe could have been better like The Black Hole
The constant live action remakes of classics that don’t need to be remade. Why.
Sorry but I like [thing] and therefore [thing] must be held inviolate from even the mildest criticism.
What criticism even is there against PSLs and Halloween decorations??
PSLs are gross, overly sugarladen drinks and emblematic of both crass consumerism and America's obsession with unhealthy food. Halloween decorations are gaudy and an eyesore and also emblematic of crass consumerism, while also representing a non-trivial amount of non-biodegradable plastic waste that just winds up buried in landfills every year.
Ahh yes, the classic emblem of America's crass consumerism checks notes flavored coffee.
PSLs and Halloween decorations are bourgeois decadance, clearly.
lattes are french and therefore bourgeois, real proles drink black coffee or take trucker pills.
No, not flavored coffee. PSLs. Different things. It's like saying "pork sandwiches" when someone brings up the McRib. It's not that simple. Food has a cultural component tied to its manufacture and identification. And, similar to the McRib, Starbucks style PSLs are food that probably shouldn't exist and which only does as a byproduct of market capitalism. They're the Lacanian 'object a' - an empty, manufactured falseness. We don't desire the thing itself, but the thing whose absence it symbolizes. What you're really consuming when you drink a PSL or a McRib is its innate mechanical predictability.
Have you considered the possibility that some people like the taste of pumpkin spice lattes? Or do you just get to dismiss everything you personally dislike as "The Lacanian 'object a?'" You could substitute literally any food or drink for PSLs in what you said, it's completely meaningless.
It's just empty words and phrases for you to feel superior to others based on what treats you enjoy or don't enjoy.
Letting go of the part of you that judges other people is important. It hurts, because that is one of the few avenues of control we can experience in our lives alienated by capitlaism.
Letting your self be free of those childish emotions and learning to replace them with love for your fellows is the path towards true happiness however. That is one of those weird tricks the government doesn't want you to know. Except it is real and it works. The more negative you are about other people the more negativity you experience and the more treats you need to buy to survive. The heart of every true revolutionary is full of love.
Yeah, you got me there that one is valid. After the revolution when all the hungry are fed and the cold are warm, then we can spend the time trying to help them grow and overcome whatever caused this. Until then however
Exactly my thoughts: work, consume, die.
What a fucking miserable fate for a human life.
The problem here is that all of these people have turned their consumer choices into their identities and thus they feel personally attacked whenever they hear criticism of the products they consume.
It's incredibly unhealthy and something everyone should work to weed out of their mindset if they want to grow as a person instead of being perpetually unhappy because others criticising things isn't going anywhere.
Isn't the whole gripe with Pumpkin Spiced whatever the same with Christmas decorations popping up in mid-October? Like, its not fucking special if you're putting nutmeg in my coffee in June.
Same with the D&D / Marvel / Roblox / Whatever fandom of choice. It was fine twenty years ago when it was the New Thing. Now we're pushing 100+ hours of Disneyfied extended universe content on Marvel alone. Half my "recommended" podcast feed is six C-list celebrities making the soy face in front of a pair of crossed battle axes. And my street is lined with shitty faux-bakery corporate cafeterias trying to sell a piece of rye bread covered in guacamole for $15/slice.
Who actually enjoys this shit anymore? It feels like I'm being sealed into Disneyland, like a Pharaoh buried alive in his pyramid. It stopped being fun ages ago. Now I'm torn between boredom and horror.
You missed the entire point. If you're bored with it all, that's valid. If you don't like psls too early, that's valid. But let other people enjoy things. If they get enjoyment out of these products, does that really negatively affect you?
let other people enjoy things
What if they aren't enjoying it?
What if they're just getting caught up in the oppressive frenzy of hype culture, getting bombarded with ad-induced anxiety, or simply trying to fit in with whatever they're told is "normal"? What if the emperor has no clothes but we're all told its rude to point?
Am I allowed to make fun of Morbius? Or is that
under the Let People Enjoy Things rubric?If they get enjoyment out of these products, does that really negatively affect you?
If its getting injected into every webpage, spamming up my email, blaring across the radio, on billboards along every mile of road, and natively included in every other media venue I visit?
Yeah.
So who cares then? Stop worrying about other people and worry about yourself. Let other people enjoy things you think are a waste of time. If the worst it does is some billboards and spam, then it's the same as all the other spam. Letting yourself get worked up over it is only affecting you. You aren't making them better, you're making yourself worse with anger. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go enjoy a pumpkin spice latte.
So who cares then?
Presumably the people drowning in this suffocating deluge of mass marketing.
Right, but they don't feel like they're suffering, they're out enjoying things. You're the one who is suffering, and it's only because you're letting it.
they don't feel like they're suffering
I've heard people who get tattoos often enough begin to enjoy the feel of the needle on their skin. So who are you to say tattooing bar codes on everyone's necks is a bad thing? Don't yuck my yum!
Christ then be mad at advertisers then, not the people who enjoy things. I don't know man, just sounds like you're going to be triggered by almost anything if people drinking coffee they like triggers you this much. I don't know how to help you with that or what you want from me.
Christ then be mad at advertisers then
Right. Yes. This is what I'm mad at.
If someone liking something I don't like doesn't negatively impact me then doesn't that mean that me not liking something that someone likes doesn't negatively impact them?
If so then why does any of this matter? They're free to gush on about the thing and I'm free to complain about it.
They want narrative control and they want a squishy feel good world without any critiques. Poptimism and it’s consequences has been amazing for corporate brands who can now act like victims when the biggest franchises on earth are mocked, and their fans do the victim whining on their behalf
I don't think anybody's being pressured into drinking pumpkin spice lattes or eating avocado toast lmao. D&D is a fun and good creative, sociable activity and more people getting into it is good, actually.
Any popular thing is going to have hype around it, that doesn't mean that it's inherently bad. You're free to dislike popular stuff but saying it's bad just because it's popular is a bad take.
I don't criticize people for enjoying those things, I criticize the corporations for relentlessly monetizing those things, making them insufferable and sucking all the enjoyment out of them for money.
I don’t mind people putting up decorations early, it’s when stores swap out their seasonal stock early that triggers me
Halloween is the only good holiday. It is the only one that maintains any connection to it's pre modern roots. It is about giving candy to children for free fuck capitlaism. It is about enjoying everything society says is wrong. It requires some creativity in ways most people don't get to experience the rest of the year. It invites experimentation and self expression.
Halloween is still pretty capitalistic. You have to buy the candy you are handing out, and are encouraged to purchase decorations and make your home thematic to the season
My first thought was "It's never too early for Halloween". I can understand hating early Christmas decorations, because Christmas is an all-out capitalist fuckfest with irritating jingles. But who hates Halloween?
Honestly it's probably in part BECAUSE OF the damn early Christmas decorations that Halloween stuff has been expanding earlier into the fall/summer. Because by mid October you have to wade through a sea of holly jolly bullshit to get to it. Anyone with an issue with the early Halloween stuff, go take it up with Christmas for trying to annex October and not staying on their fucking side of the 31st.
people like christmas and november sucks. Christmas has expanded because everyone wanted it to. Halloween sucks as a holiday and frankly October would be better if it was Christmas
Halloween sucks as a holiday
I've never seen such a bad opinion from a Hexbear user.
I guess this is one of those YMMW situations. I'm sure Halloween can be fun and cool in America but outside of America it really sucks.
Where I'm from Halloween was not a thing until ten or fifteen years ago when toy stores decided they wanted to use the opportunity to market ugly plastic decorations and shitty costumes. There's none of the cultural background that gives celebrations like this meaning and it all feels fake, like people are pretending to be Americans rather than taking part in a genuine celebration.
Celebrating Halloween as a non-American also has a tiresome aspect of cultural imperialism in it. Adopting stuff from other cultures is fine but why does it have to be stuff from burgerland every single time? Why can't we do Dias de los muertos or Chinese New year instead?
Ah, yeah, I should say my opinion is entirely based around my experience as an American. It's pretty deeply ingrained here- I mean imagine telling an American that they have to tolerate children running around at 9pm in the dark, they can't drive their cars around because the streets are clogged with those children and furthermore, they need to stock up on candy because they will be giving it away to the kids.
And there is a culture tradition of vandalizing the homes of people who are stingy about the candy.
If it were new here it'd never even catch on, just like public libraries.
it's just a bit underwhelming. Kids knock on your door and you watch a scary movie. You don't even get a day off and it's not an all day thing it's just early night
Yeah but you get to dress your kid up as a velociraptor or a ghost buster or something and then interact with people who live near you in a friendly way which doesn't exist outside of Halloween in this atomized hellscape. Plus it's way more than one day, I'm putting giant spiders all over my place for at least a month. The webs are hell to take down so I might even leave em up through November out of laziness lol
that is true I just wish we culturally made more of a thing of it. If we are to treat it seriously as a holiday it should involve days off work and events
I mean you're entitled to your opinion but surely this whole thread is evidence to the fact that people also enjoy Halloween. Halloween extending earlier doesn't really affect anything, there's not much in the way of holidays in September or hell, even August. Nobody is gonna claim pumpkins and candy are ruining Labor Day. Whereas beyond a certain point, Christmas starts to steamroll other holidays like some sort of tinsel covered Akira. I don't think it's unfair to want to enjoy Halloween on it's own without being inundated with Mariah Carey.
Also we gotta put the line somewhere before it just invades the whole bloody year. You've got most of two freaking months already.
fuck christmas it's a waste of fucking time
fuck santa he's just out to get your dime
If I can't criticize every insignificant difference in lifestyle that I have with a stranger that I probably won't ever talk to again in my life. How else will I stroke my ego and fulfill my basic need of feeling superior to others?
