• Babs [she/her]
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    10 months ago

    If Russia has a bigger nazi problem, why is it Ukrainian soldiers who keep getting caught wearing nazi symbols? If Russia had a bigger nazi problem, I'd expect to see an absolute flood of pics of Russian soldiers wearing black suns, but we don't. Where's the equivalent of former Ukrainian president Poroshenko wearing a nazi patch, or the idolization of Bandera?

    • space_comrade [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      I've seen one picture of a Nazi fighting with the DPR, also there's the Rusich Group which is like a few dozen people.

      But that's about it, the rest of the Nazis were from the Ukrainian side from what I saw.

      • Babs [she/her]
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        9 months ago

        Russia used and then decapitated a fashy private military company, Ukraine hails their Nazis as national heroes and incorporated them into their government and military. I believe the claim was that Russia has a bigger Nazi problem. It should be no problem to find a mass of evidence of this - after all, Nazi symbols pop up constantly on photos of Ukrainian soldiers, yet when you ask about Russian Nazis you just get the same couple pictures again and again. Is the Rusisch group really comparable at all to Azov?

        • kandoh@reddthat.com
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          9 months ago

          There are more images of Ukrainian Nazi symbols than Russian Nazi symbols for several reasons, including:

          1. The conflict in Ukraine has received more media coverage than Russia's involvement in the conflict, resulting in more images of Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols being circulated in the media[1][5].
          2. The use of Nazi symbols by Ukrainian soldiers has been a controversial topic, with some arguing that it highlights the country's complicated relationship with Nazi imagery[1]. This has led to more scrutiny of Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols, resulting in more images being captured and shared.
          3. The Ukrainian government has condemned the use of Nazi symbols by its soldiers, while the Russian government has not made similar statements about its soldiers[1][3]. This may have led to more attention being paid to Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols.
          4. Some far-right groups in Ukraine have been known to use Nazi symbols, which has contributed to the perception that Ukraine has a "neo-Nazi problem"[6]. This perception has led to more scrutiny of Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols.
          5. Russian propaganda has falsely claimed that Ukraine is a Nazi state, which has led to more attention being paid to Ukrainian soldiers and their symbols[1].

          Overall, the greater media coverage of the conflict in Ukraine, the controversy surrounding the use of Nazi symbols by Ukrainian soldiers, and Russian propaganda have all contributed to there being more images of Ukrainian Nazi symbols than Russian Nazi symbols.

          Citations:

          [1] NYT on Ukraine's Nazi Imagery: It's 'Complicated' - FAIR.org https://fair.org/home/nyt-on-ukraines-nazi-imagery-its-complicated/

          [2] Is there any truth to Russia's 'Ukrainian Nazis' propaganda? – DW – 12/03/2022 https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-there-any-truth-to-russias-ukrainian-nazis-propaganda/a-63970461

          [3] Illia Ponomarenko: Why some Ukrainian soldiers use Nazi-related insignia - The Kyiv Independent https://kyivindependent.com/illia-ponomarenko-why-some-ukrainian-soldiers-use-nazi-related-insignia/

          [4] Why Have So Many Neo-Nazis Rallied to Ukraine's Cause? | Opinion - Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/why-have-so-many-neo-nazis-rallied-ukraines-cause-opinion-1804642

          [5] Nazi Symbols on Ukraine's Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html

          [6] Commentary: Ukraine's neo-Nazi problem - Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY

          • Babs [she/her]
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            9 months ago

            Damn, really running defense for the nazis there.

            Yes there are a shitload of photos of open nazis in the Ukrainian army, but "it's complicated" I guess.