It's similar to the USA but they don't have a hate mob going after trans people cause they hunt fascists down for sport. There are many very positive interactions with trans people on national TV and they don't stir shit about "the controversy" like in the West. Discriminatory remarks against any group, including gay and trans people (upheld explicitly for LGBT people by some law according to the Peoples Daily) isn't allowed on national media and is strictly enforced. The media culture generally is very positive versus controversy seeking in comparison to the West.
Also, no overt genocidal shit like Russia or Florida or something. Just general ignorance and knowing little about trans people. From what I've read from advocacy groups they think awareness has gone up a lot recently and they believe there will be a big shift in LGBT laws in China by 2030ish when the old cohort retires from the CPC
And Cuba has the best LGBT laws on the books and they did it in short work after their old cohort died off, wouldn't be surprised to see China do similar
Really want to emphasize the hunting fascists down for sport part. There are online communists like us that, as a hobby, track down and report online fascists to the police, and there are tangible records of arrest from them doing that. I actually got in touch with one of these people and asked them about the LGBT situation among the youth and they seemed very positive about the progress.
I've also talked with some rural trans chinese people and there is a very unfortunate and depressingly limited access to HRT outside of tier-1 cities. From what I understand, no one really becomes homeless like they do in the USA, housing is very cheap. Its also relatively easy to move to tier-1 cities, and there is a support network of trans people that help people do this and have lists of supportive doctors like they do in the USA. Self medicating is unfortunately very common outside of tier-1 cities, the black market, interestingly, is online and you must buy a potted plant that has HRT in a plastic baggie in the dirt (wild, there are lots of gardening jokes in trans spaces as a result). Phytoestrogen cocktails are also a common way of self medicating and there are guides online to make highly estrogenized teas. There are also menstruation products sold in pharmacies with high amounts of progesterone and estradiol and require no prescription, so they take these as well. Spironolactone and cypro are usually prescribed by dermatologists in China, so if you are sneaky you can get a dermatologist to prescribe them for acne and take over the counter birth control, though this option is still relegated to cities that do not have doctor shortages.
Legal transition is a bit depressing, it has roughly the same laws as most southern states (re: you need surgery for gender marker change) and it also requires your family (!) to sign off on it and nullifies any marriage you currently have (like pre-gay marriage America). I do know there is a trick to get married to some trans person and then designate them as your family for the signature (and then the marriage will be nullified, so many friends do this), and you can ask your doctor to verify you had 'the surgery' (nebulous definition, like in America) and get your marker changed via that without surgery. This requires knowing a trans accepting doctor, which there are lists for.
It's not great. There aren't any discriminatory laws but getting medical affirming care can be a big hurdle due to lack of providers and strict requirements (I believe parents have to support, show proof of dysphoria/transgender identity)
Trans people are getting more positive attention in mainstream media and social media so definitely fast improvement just like in the West. They're also just people being famous for what they do and happen to be trans instead of being a token for their trans identity which is really nice as opposed to most of the diverse representation we have in the West
No significant hate crimes and trans people have won court cases for discrimination against their gender identity
Huh. I see they had freely available hormone drugs for anyone who wanted them until recently, but then they banned them entirely. It seems like overall it's much less politicized and stigmatized by the government tho
Yea, not really targeted though and just in a wave of controlling substances that were sold by anybody to anybody so a big positive for trans people if they can increase availability of prescribed HRT
I think they’re still largely stigmatized, but not to the point of officials obsessing over them and trying to make every piece of legislation about banning them.
I believe China’s health ministry’s web page about STDs/AIDS say that anyone, not just gay people, can contract it, and Vietnam’s health ministry stated that homosexuality or being transgender is not an abnormality, disease, mental illness, etc. I believe Vietnam is one of the few countries that have legislation that affirm people’s new gender identity.
In my experience, older Vietnamese tend to tolerate LGBT people, young people are fine with it, conservatives and nationalists obviously are more hateful as usual (usually related to perceptions of a weak military). There’s stigma, but no danger in most places in the country. There are a few big game shows with trans contestants participating regularly and trans beauty pageants in the country.
How is it for trans people in Chyna? I dont ever hear about them
It's similar to the USA but they don't have a hate mob going after trans people cause they hunt fascists down for sport. There are many very positive interactions with trans people on national TV and they don't stir shit about "the controversy" like in the West. Discriminatory remarks against any group, including gay and trans people (upheld explicitly for LGBT people by some law according to the Peoples Daily) isn't allowed on national media and is strictly enforced. The media culture generally is very positive versus controversy seeking in comparison to the West.
Also, no overt genocidal shit like Russia or Florida or something. Just general ignorance and knowing little about trans people. From what I've read from advocacy groups they think awareness has gone up a lot recently and they believe there will be a big shift in LGBT laws in China by 2030ish when the old cohort retires from the CPC
And Cuba has the best LGBT laws on the books and they did it in short work after their old cohort died off, wouldn't be surprised to see China do similar
Really want to emphasize the hunting fascists down for sport part. There are online communists like us that, as a hobby, track down and report online fascists to the police, and there are tangible records of arrest from them doing that. I actually got in touch with one of these people and asked them about the LGBT situation among the youth and they seemed very positive about the progress.
I've also talked with some rural trans chinese people and there is a very unfortunate and depressingly limited access to HRT outside of tier-1 cities. From what I understand, no one really becomes homeless like they do in the USA, housing is very cheap. Its also relatively easy to move to tier-1 cities, and there is a support network of trans people that help people do this and have lists of supportive doctors like they do in the USA. Self medicating is unfortunately very common outside of tier-1 cities, the black market, interestingly, is online and you must buy a potted plant that has HRT in a plastic baggie in the dirt (wild, there are lots of gardening jokes in trans spaces as a result). Phytoestrogen cocktails are also a common way of self medicating and there are guides online to make highly estrogenized teas. There are also menstruation products sold in pharmacies with high amounts of progesterone and estradiol and require no prescription, so they take these as well. Spironolactone and cypro are usually prescribed by dermatologists in China, so if you are sneaky you can get a dermatologist to prescribe them for acne and take over the counter birth control, though this option is still relegated to cities that do not have doctor shortages.
Legal transition is a bit depressing, it has roughly the same laws as most southern states (re: you need surgery for gender marker change) and it also requires your family (!) to sign off on it and nullifies any marriage you currently have (like pre-gay marriage America). I do know there is a trick to get married to some trans person and then designate them as your family for the signature (and then the marriage will be nullified, so many friends do this), and you can ask your doctor to verify you had 'the surgery' (nebulous definition, like in America) and get your marker changed via that without surgery. This requires knowing a trans accepting doctor, which there are lists for.
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i dig really deep on china stuff all the time, including rebuttals of various western news articles. ask and ye shall receive
great insights, thanks!
did some edits, gotta wrack my brain for all the stuff ive absorbed
this is really interesting, do you know anything i could look to to do further reading into what its like for chinese trans people?
No, I went straight to baidu and searched stuff. It's there, you just have to dig. Would be cool if I could find a book though
Into the “saved” file you go…
You're doing great work here.
Thanks :)
Exactly. Genocided
It's not great. There aren't any discriminatory laws but getting medical affirming care can be a big hurdle due to lack of providers and strict requirements (I believe parents have to support, show proof of dysphoria/transgender identity)
Trans people are getting more positive attention in mainstream media and social media so definitely fast improvement just like in the West. They're also just people being famous for what they do and happen to be trans instead of being a token for their trans identity which is really nice as opposed to most of the diverse representation we have in the West
No significant hate crimes and trans people have won court cases for discrimination against their gender identity
here is a summary post about my understanding of trans issues in china after extensive research over the past 3-5ish years.
https://hexbear.net/comment/4000176
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i might do a psa at some point, i want to get some conglomerated sources like books and stuff, not just a bunch of users and guides on baidu and weibo
Huh. I see they had freely available hormone drugs for anyone who wanted them until recently, but then they banned them entirely. It seems like overall it's much less politicized and stigmatized by the government tho
Yea, not really targeted though and just in a wave of controlling substances that were sold by anybody to anybody so a big positive for trans people if they can increase availability of prescribed HRT
yeah that's more of a blow to the trans people abroad with no access to prescribed HRT, unfortunately caught in the crossfire
I think they’re still largely stigmatized, but not to the point of officials obsessing over them and trying to make every piece of legislation about banning them.
I believe China’s health ministry’s web page about STDs/AIDS say that anyone, not just gay people, can contract it, and Vietnam’s health ministry stated that homosexuality or being transgender is not an abnormality, disease, mental illness, etc. I believe Vietnam is one of the few countries that have legislation that affirm people’s new gender identity.
In my experience, older Vietnamese tend to tolerate LGBT people, young people are fine with it, conservatives and nationalists obviously are more hateful as usual (usually related to perceptions of a weak military). There’s stigma, but no danger in most places in the country. There are a few big game shows with trans contestants participating regularly and trans beauty pageants in the country.