horrible
It was passed overwhelmingly in the legislature. So the legislature is going to override the veto, right?
There hasn't been a veto override in California since 1980 apparently.
just had a lemming telling me how much better it is here for trans people than in evil eastern regimes- mfw
Oh yeah, lol. I absolutely lost it when the lemmy-er said that "the GOP is homophobic because China and Russia"
How is it for trans people in Chyna? I dont ever hear about them
It's similar to the USA but they don't have a hate mob going after trans people cause they hunt fascists down for sport. There are many very positive interactions with trans people on national TV and they don't stir shit about "the controversy" like in the West. Discriminatory remarks against any group, including gay and trans people (upheld explicitly for LGBT people by some law according to the Peoples Daily) isn't allowed on national media and is strictly enforced. The media culture generally is very positive versus controversy seeking in comparison to the West.
Also, no overt genocidal shit like Russia or Florida or something. Just general ignorance and knowing little about trans people. From what I've read from advocacy groups they think awareness has gone up a lot recently and they believe there will be a big shift in LGBT laws in China by 2030ish when the old cohort retires from the CPC
And Cuba has the best LGBT laws on the books and they did it in short work after their old cohort died off, wouldn't be surprised to see China do similar
Really want to emphasize the hunting fascists down for sport part. There are online communists like us that, as a hobby, track down and report online fascists to the police, and there are tangible records of arrest from them doing that. I actually got in touch with one of these people and asked them about the LGBT situation among the youth and they seemed very positive about the progress.
I've also talked with some rural trans chinese people and there is a very unfortunate and depressingly limited access to HRT outside of tier-1 cities. From what I understand, no one really becomes homeless like they do in the USA, housing is very cheap. Its also relatively easy to move to tier-1 cities, and there is a support network of trans people that help people do this and have lists of supportive doctors like they do in the USA. Self medicating is unfortunately very common outside of tier-1 cities, the black market, interestingly, is online and you must buy a potted plant that has HRT in a plastic baggie in the dirt (wild, there are lots of gardening jokes in trans spaces as a result). Phytoestrogen cocktails are also a common way of self medicating and there are guides online to make highly estrogenized teas. There are also menstruation products sold in pharmacies with high amounts of progesterone and estradiol and require no prescription, so they take these as well. Spironolactone and cypro are usually prescribed by dermatologists in China, so if you are sneaky you can get a dermatologist to prescribe them for acne and take over the counter birth control, though this option is still relegated to cities that do not have doctor shortages.
Legal transition is a bit depressing, it has roughly the same laws as most southern states (re: you need surgery for gender marker change) and it also requires your family (!) to sign off on it and nullifies any marriage you currently have (like pre-gay marriage America). I do know there is a trick to get married to some trans person and then designate them as your family for the signature (and then the marriage will be nullified, so many friends do this), and you can ask your doctor to verify you had 'the surgery' (nebulous definition, like in America) and get your marker changed via that without surgery. This requires knowing a trans accepting doctor, which there are lists for.
i dig really deep on china stuff all the time, including rebuttals of various western news articles. ask and ye shall receive
this is really interesting, do you know anything i could look to to do further reading into what its like for chinese trans people?
No, I went straight to baidu and searched stuff. It's there, you just have to dig. Would be cool if I could find a book though
I dont ever hear about them
Exactly. Genocided
It's not great. There aren't any discriminatory laws but getting medical affirming care can be a big hurdle due to lack of providers and strict requirements (I believe parents have to support, show proof of dysphoria/transgender identity)
Trans people are getting more positive attention in mainstream media and social media so definitely fast improvement just like in the West. They're also just people being famous for what they do and happen to be trans instead of being a token for their trans identity which is really nice as opposed to most of the diverse representation we have in the West
No significant hate crimes and trans people have won court cases for discrimination against their gender identity
here is a summary post about my understanding of trans issues in china after extensive research over the past 3-5ish years.
https://hexbear.net/comment/4000176
i might do a psa at some point, i want to get some conglomerated sources like books and stuff, not just a bunch of users and guides on baidu and weibo
Huh. I see they had freely available hormone drugs for anyone who wanted them until recently, but then they banned them entirely. It seems like overall it's much less politicized and stigmatized by the government tho
but then they banned them entirely
Yea, not really targeted though and just in a wave of controlling substances that were sold by anybody to anybody so a big positive for trans people if they can increase availability of prescribed HRT
yeah that's more of a blow to the trans people abroad with no access to prescribed HRT, unfortunately caught in the crossfire
I think they’re still largely stigmatized, but not to the point of officials obsessing over them and trying to make every piece of legislation about banning them.
I believe China’s health ministry’s web page about STDs/AIDS say that anyone, not just gay people, can contract it, and Vietnam’s health ministry stated that homosexuality or being transgender is not an abnormality, disease, mental illness, etc. I believe Vietnam is one of the few countries that have legislation that affirm people’s new gender identity.
In my experience, older Vietnamese tend to tolerate LGBT people, young people are fine with it, conservatives and nationalists obviously are more hateful as usual (usually related to perceptions of a weak military). There’s stigma, but no danger in most places in the country. There are a few big game shows with trans contestants participating regularly and trans beauty pageants in the country.
Other-minded elected officials, in California and other states, could very well use this strategy to diminish the civil rights of vulnerable communities
See, I can't use my power to protect you because that would set a bad example for the ghouls I have dinner with to use power to attack you. Oh, they're already doing that?
Have some thoughts and prayers.This is also a good explanation of why they can't raise the minimum wage. Most leftists fail to consider that someone might later lower the minimum wage.
"If we do good things now, they'll just use that precedent to do bad things later"
"They could use this strategy to diminish the civil rights of vulnerable communities" he writes as he refuses to strengthen the civil rights of vulnerable communities.
This legislation would require a court, when determining the best interests of a child in a child custody or visitation proceeding, to consider, among other comprehensive factors, a parent's affirmation of the child's gender identity or gender expression.
Never mind all the other legislation in other states and nationally that has been used to restrict trans rights that has passed, Newsom is sure that courts will strike down all of those eventually.
A visual of his logic:
Court Legislation Can provide human rights ✅ ❌ Can restrict human rights ✅ ✅ And if they don't override his veto, he's effectively correct, in California at least
Looked up threads about this on Reddit. Only found three threads on it. Nothing in /r/politics
- /r/transgender was going hard against it
- fucking /r/lgbt was justifying the action and saying its good because blah blah liberal bullshit.
- /r/california_politics used different reasoning but still justified it.
Had brunch with work colleagues (plenty "international" which means mostly anglosphere tech sphere aligned) and the majority defended his actions. Funnily they were all "allies" and the queers on the table were all against it. Which is kinda how it often is. The arguments were those of a "negative peace", too.
Being an “ally” means absolutely nothing. I have 100% confidence in their total betrayal the second the wind shifts.
I understand your sentiment. I do believe that there are plenty of real allies who would have our backs (as some did show in the past already).
But those are mostly already active and their ally-ship is proven and the "title" isn't something they claim, it is something proved and thereby given.
“Faith without works is dead”, on other words. An ally isn’t something you claim to be, it’s something you accomplish with your actions. That’s not how libs see it but that’s what it is.
Ally is a meaningless title, its like calling yourself a nice person or whatever and doesn't mean anything without the actions to back it up
I presume they were defending the veto as "negative peace" but not using those words is what was meant. Like they didnt call it that, but they said things that JuneFall would describe that way.
Its pretty much what Newsom's defense for the decision is.
There was actually a small thread with like 20 upvotes and no comments that I found there, so I assume it was more the libs there willfully ignoring a negative thing about the Blue Team. Wouldnt put it past the /r/poltiics mods to remove a thread if it got traction though and spin up some bullshit about it not being relevant or whatever.
A lot of the time they remove a post for a while then reinstate it, which effectively quells its exposure. Reddit exposure is very timing-based
r/lgbt is a bunch of liberal cucks, thats the only kind that still use reddit without seeing the walls come down around them
Libs for the past few decades: Just vote harder guys! If we can get enough Democrats into congress so that Manchin and Sinema aren't the deciding votes, then we'll be able to do things like codify Roe V. Wade and guarantee some protections for trans people! Maybe we'll even do that free healthcare thing you guys like so much
California with its Democratic governor and its Democratic fucking supermajority:
I imagine the farcical version in the future where they list off half of the democratic party not being the deciding votes
California with its Democratic governor and its Democratic fucking supermajority:
Even worse since he's the sole reason why it didn't get made into law.
Like literally everyone from a majority of the state population, the state senators, judges, and state representatives would've been fine with this bill, but it got vetoed' because Gavin Newsom wants to run for President for ??? reasons and thinks that if he turns the bigotry dial that hayseeds in rural areas will like him more, when in reality either they don't care or won't like him because he looks like the California Liberal that a lot people don't like.
Actually sweaty it's democracy in action when one person vetoes overwhelmingly popular policy.
Yeah this is weird. I am not defending Newsom at all, fuck him. But given the support this seemed to have and that Newsom hasn’t been terrible on trans rights, I just figured he would sign it. Even if you see it as a heel turn because he wants to run for president… it’s becoming clear that attacking trans people isn’t a winning strategy. I guess the only “rationale” I can see is that this ostensibly hits at “parents rights” which a large number of Americans are absolutely psychotic about.
"stunning betrayal" wdym my back literally has a slot for knives on it labeled "liberals only"
Newsom let a medicare for all type bill expire on his desk that he has promised to pass
And now this
But neolibs will say it's better than the alternative!! Which at this point is basically just a gun to our heads
I thought the Medicare-for-All bill never got voted on in the Assembly, despite having nominal support from a supposed majority. Or do they change the way it dies every session just to toy with us?
Probably the smart and correct move for him. He gets to keep the big voter base that is non-trans accepting Dems and centrists
If doing the wrong thing could add at least one vote to his mental scoreboard, he’ll do it in a heartbeat. That slimy bastard has no soul behind his eyes.
If doing the wrong thing could add at least one vote to his mental scoreboard, he’ll do it in a heartbeat. That slimy bastard has no soul behind his eyes.
Average international community politician
Remember when that person was here yesterday whining at us that the Democrats at least let trans people exist? I remember.
You're doing great buddy. Keep this up and you'll be the Democratic presidential candidate in no time
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Bullets are more effective than votes, and we've got a huge surplus here in the US.
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