I can't say anything here that is any worse than what was verbatim said in the title. yea

  • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    That's possible. I know for sure at least some of the writers are self identified dem socs. What I personally think happened was using the word "collective" was how they sold the idea to the executive that was calling all the shots on the show. Star Trek writers and actors are notorious for intentionally going behind the backs of their executives and forcing through the messaging or artistic vision that they had.

    For instance, like when Rick Berman forced them to make Elim Garak a straight character and literally everyone involved in the show, actors, writers etc. went forward with making the character gay without the producer noticing.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I heard that Jeri Ryan's Seven of Nine character was only given reasonably good character development because Kate Mulgrew threatened to walk otherwise. Seven was originally there for pure awooga factor and the promotional material at the time for the show was exactly that.

      • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        All the other shows Berman was involved with were filled with conflict between him and the creative talent so I 100% believe that happened. Almost everything good in star trek was a battle the creative labor fought for and won against the producer (or snuck behind their back and did anyway). Thankfully Berman was a moron and lost constantly.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          I'm still pissed about how he was creeping on dax-stoked and got her character killed off and replaced because she wouldn't do sexual favors for him.

          • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            That really did suck. I didn't mind the person who replaced them, and they made the best of the situation, but that was real shitty. He did the exact same thing to the person playing kes around the same time too.