If you are expecting to read my usual Left Coast column, I tell you now that you will be disappointed. I write, today, from a place of horror—about the massacre unleashed against civilians in Israel this past week, and about the morally cretinous bloodlust reaction some who fashion themselves as being on the “left” seem to have experienced in its aftermath, but also in despair at the ghastly collective punishments being unleashed from the air on Gaza residents by Netanyahu’s far-right government and the Israeli military.
    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      9 months ago

      I disagree with the other user (it's not good to want children to die, children can't be held responsible because they can't understand and affect their environment fully like adults can), but this comment is wrong. Wishing death on Israelis is not at all the same as "6 million wasn't enough". Let's not pretend that being a victim of the holocaust is equivalent in any way to being killed by the people whose land you're settling, or that the Zionist settler state is at all representative of Jews and Judaism (especially those who were killed in the Holocaust).

      I'm not saying it was your intent, but I think it's a form of antisemitism to draw that comparison.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        9 months ago

        As always: Judaism /= Zionism, Zionism /= Judaism

        Let's not pretend that being a victim of the holocaust is equivalent in any way to being killed by the people whose land you're settling

        Almost all the survivors of the Holocaust are gone, now. But many, many of them voiced their disgust for the conduct of the Israeli state before they passed. Norm Finklestien's parents narrowly survived the camps had he has voiced righteous outrage against the conduct of Israel since he was a young man precisely because of their experience, to name one prominent person (critical support for Norman he has some other views that suck).

        • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          One thing Finkelstein mentioned on one of the TrueAnon eps he was on was that his parents, who were not communists, would get pissed off anytime they encountered someone trying to paint Stalin in a negative light. Apparently that was a common thing with jews of that generation, as they saw him as the liberator of their people.

          Doesn't really have anything to do with what is being discussed here, I just thought it was interesting.

        • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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          9 months ago

          On the other hand, I think their prediction is actually correct and reactionary turds are going to unmask themselves as time goes on. There are probably some black hammer-esque nerds on here, just by law of large numbers, and they will show themselves

          Prepare the ban hammers, I guarantee they'll get (rightfully and correctly) owned immediately when they do.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          9 months ago
          On the other hand, I think their prediction is actually correct and reactionary turds are going to unmask themselves as time goes on. There are probably some black hammer-esque nerds on here, just by law of large numbers, and they will show themselves as being unable to differentiate between the apartheid Israeli state and Jewish people as a whole

          I agree. It is important to remain vigilant for posters who cross the line from anti-colonialism to anti-semitism. I think it is important for all of us to learn about the politics of Zionism over the past 150 years precisely because the more you learn about Zionism the more you realize that it is not monolithic.

        • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          There are probably some black hammer-esque nerds on here, just by law of large numbers, and they will show themselves as being unable to differentiate between the apartheid Israeli state and Jewish people as a whole

          This might have been the case a couple of years ago or whatever, but I'd be surprised if it still was.

          Guess we'll find out.