There's a ton of information coming out from a bunch of different sources and it's difficult to keep track of who's said what and who has evidence of what. This thread is to keep track of who's making what claims, who has what evidence, and discussion surrounding those.

For top-level comments, please separate into two categories:

Evidence (videos, facts, circumstantial evidence, etc.) that we can validate, invalidate, or provide supporting sources for

Claims (IDF, Hamas, Western media, etc.) that we can prove or disprove using current evidence

=== 2023-10-19 ===

It's established fact that Israel was operating aircraft near the hospital, that Israel was striking targets near the hospital, that Israel had indicated that they would strike the hospital, that Israel had striked the hospital in the past, and that Israel had targeted multiple hospital staff in the days leading up to the strike.

It's currently up to debate, but many indications suggest that Israel's message has changed multiple times. The initial claim was that the attack was on Hamas operatives within the hospital. The claim afterward was that this was a Hamas misfire (using demonstrably falsified audio evidence).

The videos show that a single large explosion triggered whatever happened, not a sequence of smaller explosions or secondary detonations. The video circulating of a Hamas rocket "misfire" is more indicative of a MANPADS launch given multiple comparable flight paths from other MANPADS. It's a clear usage of a multi-pulse rocket motor, something Hamas does not have domestic capability for but does have access to through Iranian MANPADS. An Iranian Misagh-2 fires a missile with less than 2kg of explosives and less than 20kg of total weight.

At this stage, my most likely conclusion is that the damage was the result of an airburst bomb.

  • zephyreks [none/use name]
    hexagon
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    9 months ago

    Reports from Kirby from the White House.

    https://twitter.com/MarquardtA/status/1714467358696190345?t=HisFJia6Z84_wC_02-Bd8A&s=19

    Asked if the US was giving Israel the “benefit of the doubt,” Kirby paused a bit, @betsy_klein reports. “I think we certainly recognize that they feel very strongly that this was not caused by them,” Kirby said.

    • Hohsia [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      I feel very strongly that the US did not trade arms for hostages and my heart and best intentions tell me that is true

    • Hohsia [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      Need more dirtbag journalists

      Evidence or gtfo

    • zephyreks [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      9 months ago

      The US is very weak in their backing of the Israeli claim. If they had robust intelligence, the US would have seen it by now.