The Real Dividing Line in Israel-Palestine | by Slavoj Žižek - Project Syndicate
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Slavoj Žižek argues that the solution to a conflict dominated by fundamentalists depends on combining two extremes.

It's dogshit

Hamas and Israeli hardliners are two sides of the same coin. The choice is not one hardline faction or the other; it is between fundamentalists and all those who still believe in the possibility of peaceful co-existence. There can be no compromise between Palestinian and Israeli extremists, who must be combatted with a full-throated defense of Palestinian rights that goes hand-in-hand with an unwavering commitment to the fight against anti-Semitism.

Utopian as this may sound, the two struggles are of a piece. We can and should unconditionally support Israel’s right to defend itself against terrorist attacks. But we also must unconditionally sympathize with the truly desperate and hopeless conditions faced by Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied territories. Those who think there is a “contradiction” in this position are the ones who are effectively blocking a solution.

both-sides zizek-theory

We can and should unconditionally defend US slave owners' property rights. But we also must unconditionally sympathize with the truly desperate and hopeless conditions faced by enslaved people.

We can and should unconditionally support Nazi Germany's right to rid itself of undesirables. But we also must unconditionally sympathize with the truly desperate and hopeless conditions faced by those placed in concentration camps.

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  • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]
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    11 months ago

    I do have bad news for you on that front.

    Are you already an academic? Feel bad for your students bud, to have a liberal as their teacher. I hope they all submit their work 9 seconds before the deadline so you have to speed grade it lmao

    Yes, clearly, but notice that we're talking about the evilness of actions, not attributes or essences.

    The action of creating isntreal was the displacement and genocide of Palestinians. Your argument is still invalid.

    Also, observe how,

    "and when I linked to yours as an example. Everyone's response was"

    Transitions to:

    Let's not pretend that everyone agreed with you, and let's further note that all the examples you cite are more careful than you, calling for the expulsions of settlers, not all Israelis.

    "w-well according to a source that is different to the one I was referring to originally!"

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    6 likes on 1st image shilling for UN definition.

    28 likes on expected social balancing response post to the original mocking of OP.

    Guy on 3rd image (same as image 1) got fucked in the comments immediately after.

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    4th image has 18 likes without even having seen the comment.

    *I mean even without addressing these images you are a fool who didnt check what people actually said to you when you made that post which you referred to as a gotcha just now lmao

    5th image hadnt even read my post either and assumed it was someone literally going "HURRR muh TKD!!111!!11"

    6th image is mod doing their job at addressing community needs, i dont question their authority.

    pretending Israel doesn't exist

    Youre a total idiot who thinks "israel isnt real" literally means that isntreal doesnt exist and is just an imaginary phenomenon. No, as I explained before, it literally means it has no legitimacy as a state and must be destroyed.

    but it is an actual way to create a state, it is how Israel was created

    Sorry this is where we disagree, I don't recognize the legitimacy of its statehood because doing so would be to recognize that it has claims to lands that it stole by genociding the people living there. This is wrong and unjust.

    I recognize that "israel" refers to something, and that something is an invading force of settler occupiers who run a human slaughterhouse. Its a settler colonial society at its core with all of its systems of power geared towards the genocide of Palestine to steal land. Just like how a gun is designed to shoot bullets, Isntreal is designed to kill Palestinians.

    • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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      11 months ago

      The action of creating isntreal was the displacement and genocide of Palestinians. Your argument is still invalid.

      No, this displacement and genocide preceded the incorporation of the state of Israel as a political entity, continues currently, and could extend beyond it's existence if there were a devolution into the local communes.

      I don't recognize the legitimacy of its statehood because doing so would be to recognize that it has claims to lands that it stole by genociding the people living there. This is wrong and unjust.

      I don't recognize the legitimacy of it's statehood because getting hung up on legitimacy is metaphysical drivel. Israel makes and exercises claims to stolen land, legitimate or not. This act of stealing the land and holding it from the indigenous population is to be opposed regardless of what intellectual or legal framework can be roped around it to 'legitimize' it. Talk of Israel's 'right to defend itself' is metaphysical drivel attempting to legitimate genocide.

      • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]
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        11 months ago

        No, this displacement and genocide preceded the incorporation of the state of Israel as a political entity, continues currently, and could extend beyond it's existence if there were a devolution into the local communes.

        No? Lot of words to say absolutely nothing but unintentional Zionist apologia. "Hurr our country is ok bcuz the region already had a genocide!!!!"

        The act of creating isntreal necessitated the conquest of Palestine by Britain and the forceful settlement of Palestinian land.

        *And "this displacement and genocide preceded the incorporation of the state of Isntreal" is a stupid thing to say because its literally saying "bro the map was green from the beginning in the early 20th century!" As if the genocide was going to happen anyways and then Isntreal was just created by accident lmao

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        This act of stealing the land and holding it from the indigenous population is to be opposed regardless of what intellectual or legal framework can be roped around it to 'legitimize' it.

        Literally what I said but ok. "B-bbbubt akshualasflaslfy you-ACK" its not an "intellectual" or "legal" argument to say that its wrong and unjust to genocide a population.

        Talk of Israel's 'right to defend itself' is metaphysical drivel attempting to legitimate genocide.

        So is talk of "Israel's" "right to exist" because a settler colonial state that is only there to steal land and commits genocide must be destroyed no matter what.