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If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine, though we will switch next week to a new country.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly (biweekly?) update is here.

Links and Stuff

The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


  • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    All of that hyperbolic bullshit propaganda about ukkkraine is actually true about Palestine on some level, they are fighting not just for their own liberation but also for the liberation of all humanity

    • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Russia is also fighting for the defeat of fascist hegemony and to liberate the whole world. Something a lot of people won’t grasp for decades to come, but the presidents of Eritrea and DPRK saw it immediately

      • GodDamnAmercia [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Ukraine and Israel are both US client states and serve the same purpose. The US must be defeated for the victory of socialism to potentially emerge.

      • Kestrel [comrade/them]
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        edit-2
        1 year ago

        may want to rethink that one homie

        All I see are two fascist states grinding working people to paste

        Edit: hmm ok maybe I'll take the L on this one. I actually already agree with many points from the responses but hadn't really thought deeply on the topic and realized my position (or lack thereof) was conflicting with itself.

        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Nope, Russia is an actually existing anti-imperialist force destroying a forward NATO proxy base and both-sidesing demonstrates you have not properly understood revolutionary defeatism and instead hold a western chauvinist position

          Furthermore, Russia isn’t fascist. They are defeating fascists and working with the colonized and socialists

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
          hexagon
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          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Eh, Russia is fascist in the same way that every other capitalist nation is fascist I guess but that's not really a useful distinction between them. You just come away with the (very Trotskyist, I've noticed) viewpoint of "Everybody here is bad! I'm a smart principled communist so I think the real solution is for the proletariat to overthrow the bourgeoisie in a global revolution, and we shouldn't pick any sides!" which is just like, great, awesome, sure, but the last century and definitely last 30 years has been the poor eating turd after turd after turd with only vague and doomed attempts to fight back except in small, isolated cases of victory (Cuba, North Korea, etc), so clearly that strategy to achieve global revolution isn't working.

          I'm willing to see where the multipolarist efforts lead the world - the breakdown of large empires and economic malaise and breakdown in the trust of the state and its institutions tends to be fertile ground for revolutions. Even if I wasn't willing to see where these efforts go, what am I gonna do about it, write a strongly worded letter to Putin? fedposting? If we had the revolutionary social structures to influence events on the scale that would be needed, the left wouldn't be in this shitty position to begin with.

          And Russia is aligning itself with countries like China, Cuba, and North Korea etc which has gotta count for something in their favor.

        • SixSidedUrsine [comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Oh no, not this again. If that's what you see, then you aren't really looking.

          Reposting something again, but putting it below a spoiler tag because it's not relevant to what's happening right now in Gaza - much more pressing atm.

          spoiler

          I didn't write the following, but I think it is an excellent summary as to why it should be the position of Marxists and leftists in general to critically support Russia specifically with respect to the SMO. It was a response to someone saying they just didn't like the war in general and that it's just one capitalist state fighting a proxy war against another, similar to what you're saying. While it's understandable to feel that way, it is not materialist and it is failing to see the bigger picture. At the very least, I just think it's something you might consider. The person who wrote that response is @SimulatedLiberalism@hexbear.net, but they're apparently gone now or maybe using a new name.

          and this struggle is between two capitalist empires which both want to do more capitalism, so there's no benefit to either side winning

          I keep seeing this take cropping up in online Western leftist circle and to be very honest, I always consider this to be the laziest takes on war for people claiming to be on the left.

          This is no different than saying that there is no difference for the left when it comes to whether the North or the South wins in the American Civil War because neither of them was socialist. Well, would it surprise you that Marx wrote an entire collection of essays just on analyzing the American Civil War?

          To quote Lenin from his Lecture on “The Proletariat and the War”, October 1 (14), 1914:

          For a Marxist clarifying the nature of the war is a necessary preliminary for deciding the question of his attitude to it. But for such a clarification it is essential, first and foremost, to establish the objective conditions and concrete circumstances of the war in question. It is necessary to consider the war in the historical environment in which it is taking place, only then can one determine one’s attitude to it. Otherwise, the resulting interpretation will be not materialist but eclectic.

          Depending on the historical circumstances, the relationship of classes, etc., the attitude to war must be different at different times. It is absurd once and for all to renounce participation in war in principle. On the other hand, it is also absurd to divide wars into defensive and aggressive. In 1848, Marx hated Russia, because at that time democracy in Germany could not win out and develop, or unite the country into a single national whole, so long as the reactionary hand of backward Russia hung heavy over her.

          In order to clarify one’s attitude to the present war, one must understand how it differs from previous wars, and what its peculiar features are.

          We can write entire essays about the war in Ukraine, and it is anything but “a war between American and Russian capitalists”.

          For one, if this is about Russia expanding its capital, why is the Russian Central Bank doing everything it can (including rate hikes and devaluing the ruble) to undermine Putin’s effort to achieve economic self-sufficiency in the face of unprecedented sanctions, and directly aiding the Western imperialist cause? If anything, it is stifling the expansion of Russian capital.

          Such narrative crumbles at the slightest inspection of what is actually going on within the Russian political and economic structures, and points to a more fundamental division that Michael Hudson had pointed out regarding the conflict between finance vs industrial capitalism.

          And we’re not even getting to the wider geopolitical implications of the war in Ukraine yet - what does it mean for Western imperialism? The anti-colonial struggles of the Global South? The effects on global financial institutions (IMF, World Bank, WTO) and the efforts to decouple from such oppressive structures (which is what de-dollarization is all about).

          We have to ask ourselves, what would a fascist victory in Ukraine mean for left wing movements in Eastern Europe? What could the total subjugation of Russia - a country that has large scale military equipments, raw resources and minerals, and agricultural products - to Western capital mean for the anti-colonial movements in the Global South?

          Leftists who refuse to apply a materialist and historical method to understand the world’s events will inevitably fail to see the underlying currents of the global state of events, and as such they cannot predict where the world is heading and will not be able to position themselves to take advantage of the impending crisis.

          After all, it was WWI that resulted in an explosion of socialist movements within the imperialist European states, why? Because the socialists back then actually combined theory and practice (what Gramsci referred to as praxis) to take advantage of the predicament.

        • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]
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          1 year ago

          In the case of Ukraine it is better to think of Russia as Iran/Hezbollah coming in to rescue Donbas/Palestine from the genocidal government of Ukraine/israel. Not only is it a consistent geo-ethical position it also is a more apt analogy.